Build or Boost? - Page 2

DAYTA · 10-26-2009, 12:34 AM

Good luck with going turbo

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Don't forget that hitting 300whp+ will also require you to upgrade your clutch/flywheel, not to mention that adding a turbo means you'll have to ditch your HyTech setup.

northbridge · 10-26-2009, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DAYTA

Good luck with going turbo

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Don't forget that hitting 300whp+ will also require you to upgrade your clutch/flywheel, not to mention that adding a turbo means you'll have to ditch your HyTech setup.

im sad to see it go, but i put the hytech exhaust up on the market yesterday. im still waiting for the FS thread to be approved.

For now, im an auto, but im going to do a MT swap in the summer. I hope the AT tranny holds up to 6 months of boost. When i buy the MT i'm gonna have a LSD, clutch and flywheel installed at once before i do the swap. (thats the plan at least...)

Benz · 10-26-2009, 05:05 AM

^ you asking Toni to do your MT swap? I really want a very detail review on the MT swap, I wanna see whether its really that good to do a MT swap and if it's financially worth it than just finding another car

littlebo · 10-26-2009, 05:34 AM

I think the best way to decide is to try one !! Just find someone who has n\a and who has a boosted car and ask for a testdrive than u will understand what u want. Ive tested 2 civics , n\a 250hp and turbo 350+hp , first is fun but must be revvy and noisy to move fast , its not for a daily driving, second - fast but too hard to hold on a road due to fwd torque steering and mpg is not very good at all. After trying S\C_ed mercedes i understand what is the best for me , the driveability and the power that rises constantly but smooth !! Power delivery from light boosted engine is very smooth and understandable, just look at the dyno curves on this forum.
TSX is not car for a crazy racing ) Its weigh too much . Imho 300 whp is more than enough for that car to make some fun on the road. Btw, a good builded n\a frank has really good torque curve at low rpm compared to S\C_ed but its really pricey )

losothefatso · 10-26-2009, 05:32 PM

I love the sound of turbo

+1 for boost!

northbridge · 10-26-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Benz

^ you asking Toni to do your MT swap? I really want a very detail review on the MT swap, I wanna see whether its really that good to do a MT swap and if it's financially worth it than just finding another car

Yep, i want Toni to do the swap since he's done it already. he wrote a visitor message on my wall about more or less whats involved. labor is the largest expense, but you gotta pay to do it right. take a look there to see more info.

i've been in several boosted cars and i love the way the power comes on. its like vtec on roids. i dont know a single person who went N/A, i can just try to assume what it would be like based on dyno charts. I also dont know many people with front drive cars. It seems that everyone i know who mods has something like a 350z or an evo... i just cant get rid of the tsx though...

littlebo · 10-26-2009, 06:17 PM

Building NA engines requires a lot of knowledge and work, full disassemble , deep building and combining the right parts, thats because there r no lots of NA here. Just imagine 300+whp NA engine build : oil pump, crank polishing and balancing, conrods,pistons, full head rebuilding ( porting, springs, retainers, valves, cams) than intake manifold porting and polishing , bigger throttle body, kpro and many other things. The price of this engine is really high but its a masterpiece of engine building )) To add a turbo or SC to stock engine is way more easier and much more cheaper to get 300+ whp. Even with lsd u will have a lot of issues on 400hp fwd car without huge slick tires, just try to understand it )

BigBen · 10-26-2009, 09:19 PM

I say go SC if you want around 300 whp. If you are going to go turbo then I would build the bottom end for security. I don't really know much about NA motors so my imput won't help lol.

northbridge · 10-26-2009, 09:28 PM

what was the final diagnosis on your motor BigBen?

what do you suggest i do with the bottom?

I wanted to SC but im not sure because 300whp seems like the upper limit for the blower. I dont wanna be so close to the ceiling...

BigBen · 10-26-2009, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by northbridge

what was the final diagnosis on your motor BigBen?

what do you suggest i do with the bottom?

I wanted to SC but im not sure because 300whp seems like the upper limit for the blower. I dont wanna be so close to the ceiling...

Well Kuma knows a lot more than i do about motor stuff but if it were me starting over i'd do pistons,rods, and sleeve the motor. You've already taken your engine out to do pistons and rods so you might as well go ahead and sleeve it. I know they say you don't need to sleeve k24 but it is more for safety measures. Then your bottom end will be good. If you do that then you really won't ever have to touch the bottom end again.

As far as my motor goes we have not started taking it apart yet. I'm trying to get everything lined up for the build so i don't have alot of down time.

Another good point by Kuma was the fact when you do start doing these things your headaches start to begin

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I hope that helps out

kuma912 · 10-27-2009, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by northbridge

what was the final diagnosis on your motor BigBen?

what do you suggest i do with the bottom?

I wanted to SC but im not sure because 300whp seems like the upper limit for the blower. I dont wanna be so close to the ceiling...

If you're are only gonna push around 300+. You'll be fine with just upgrading your pistons and rods. Once you start pushing near 400. Then do some serious bottom work.

JDmTypeS · 10-28-2009, 07:56 AM

ok so if i was say purchasing a comptech SC would i need to build the motor i.e pistons rods? or is it good for bitch boost (stock motor)

BigBen · 10-28-2009, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JDmTypeS

ok so if i was say purchasing a comptech SC would i need to build the motor i.e pistons rods? or is it good for bitch boost (stock motor)

No if you are doing the SC you'll be fine on a stock engine. You will never make over 320whp on the sc.

littlebo · 10-28-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JDmTypeS

ok so if i was say purchasing a comptech SC would i need to build the motor i.e pistons rods? or is it good for bitch boost (stock motor)

The most important thing in tuning is ecu management. U need to get kpro first than think about SC and other parts. If u will run stock SC pulley than stay stock but if u want more than i think carillo conrods is a minimum to do. k24a2 has a little bit stronger internals than our k24a3, especially 06 engines.

TSX_WS · 10-28-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBen

No if you are doing the SC you'll be fine on a stock engine. You will never make over 320whp on the sc.

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I do however have to point out that because of the power drainage by SC itself, not all power produced by the engines gets to the transmission and then wheels.