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#1 ·
UPDATE

I Did a Ton of Research on putting Brembo's on my TSX everyone uses the TL because there the Easiest to Find and Usually the Cheapest but I found a Simple Alternative.

I seen a post of a Italian Guy who used the JDM integra Type R {RSX} so after long research I told myself I'd Take 1 for the team and guess what it actually paid off.

I Did not have to DRILL ANYTHING they bolted Right on with a S2000 brake rotor and THATS ALL I MADE THE MISTAKE AND LET A FRIEND PUT ON THE CALIPER TO FIND OUT HE DID NOT TIGHTEN IT ALL THE WAY. WHEN I USED THE NEW STOPTECH PADS EVERYTHING FIT LIKE A GLOVE.





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Pads Are even with the contact surface of the brake rotor
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Slightly have to cut the dust sheild but very minimal I cut a little to much
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UPDATED PICTURES
Pads are for a Nissan 350z with Brembo's
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After Completeing the install this time though its 100% the OEM tsx wheels will not fit with the new Brembo's there Massive maybe with a 15mm Spacer maybe but the oem TL Type S wheel should.
 
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#5 ·
Just Got back from the machine shop and he advised same as I thought. Use the 3mm spacer not because it couldnt be milled down but because of the re-sale value. He said (and I strongly agree) If I milled them 1st off making it slightly weaker but he said it was not going to be significant at all, but they would fit only the TSX. If I keep them as they are and use the spacer when and If I were to sell them is can still bolt on to the RSX the USDM Accord and the TSX.

What saves dollars can also make cents (in the Future to me) lol.
 
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Right Now with the powdercoat new stickers and 4 new seals im at 580
Breaking it down
Calipers were $425 Shipped
70$ Powder Coat Which I think I could have got for $60
80$ for Seals and that was my largest Problem Finding the seals I spent the money 2x I got my seals from the rear caliper of the EVO 9 (the EVOX are the same)
I orginally Tried the G35 Front Seals way to big.
5$ for Stickers.
In all Honesty if I had to get 8 new Seals The Cost would be the same.

are the dc5R brake pads readily available?
I am actually headed to the Dealer to Cross refrence the TL Brembo Seals and the pads to confirm the seals are ldentical to the DC5. The brake pads are the same as the front of the 2005 350Z with Brembo's which I confirmed on ClubRSX.com

Also Remember the DC5 is no longer in production for the U.S. I mean you could easily buy them in mint condition but the cost is much higher most guys sell them for almost double in a mint condition and most people want to sell either the Entire suspension or with the front and rear.
 
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Also I wanted to point out I am working on 1 more Alternitave after measureing and All the work I have done there also might be an extremly cheap but a significant upgrade.
I am almost positve that the dual piston caliper from the Honda Odyssey/RDX will actually fit the TSX. If not the old Acura Legend dual piston calipers will. I need to do some measuring and I have a friend at a body shop that actually has a front legend clip and happens to be I own a Odyessy and a RDX lol.

That will be another Write up.
 
#15 ·
Just to add some info, I'm using the FD2 Civic Type R Brembo instead as the DC5 Integra Type R Brembo was designed to be mounted in the rear where as the FD2 ones are mounted at the front, the same as the CL7/9. I assume the bigger/smaller piston position has some effect on the pad wear? :confused:
 
#67 ·
It's a good question. Rotation: By DC5 first come the smaller piston, then the bigger. if i put it up on my cl9 will be it reversed! so first the bigger and then the smaller piston. i think, it will cause a wrong wearing. have you experiences abaout brake pads wearing? FD2 brembo would be the best (but it's too expensive)
 
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The S2000 rotors the top hat height is spaced out further towards the rim to be specific total rotor height is 39.6 the outer Diameter is 299.6

The Oem TSX Rotor is Height is 47.2 and the outer diameter is 300mm the 7.6mm diffrence in height is what helps center the Rotor the the larger Brembo Monoblock Design.
 
#21 ·
NSX rotor? Why would you include a smaller-then-stock rotor in a brake "upgrade"? The stock diameter you get from the S2000 rotor is bad enough.

I really don't understand the compromises people will make just to get a pretty caliper behind their wheel.

I guess I'm just a hater
 
#22 ·
You Obviously are because the Diameter of the S2000 Rotor is only but .4 Thosands of an inch smaller of the stock brake rotor of the TSX

The TL Type S brake Rotors are 310mm So 10mm Larger in which the a Huge Problem in the way the brake pad wears down but I did update my thread you do not need to use the spacer.
Also I dont agree on swapping the entire knuckle and than the tie rod than the ball joint than the spacing Blah blah blah to much BS.

NEW UPDATE ALL BOLT ON WITH S2K ROTORS THATS IT.

I can see what your Saying most people do it for the Vanity I am doing it for the function I have taken my car up to 140 and jesus the stock brakes SUCK NUTS! after I did this about 6 or 7 times in the last 6 months my brake rotors are warped. Thats Why I invested in better Brake Rotors, StopTech Pads and Calipers that Brake evenly on both sides and have a greater contact surface to that rotor thats what I car about.
 
#24 ·
I paid 430 for the Calipers but I powdered them Myself I got new seals but not all of them I only needed 4 thats was about 50.

I paid 65 for the Stoptech Pads and 120 For the Rotors. So Im at around $665.

I got the Brembos from a JDM import place Nearby but if you can find them without the need of being refinished or seals anything like that you could save some more money.
 
#27 ·
lol yessir!

Small delay, as I F'ed up the painting of one of the calipers. Plans are to redo that tomorrow.

I then leave town for three days, so I'll have nothing productive to do except give people a hard time for doing any other brake mod besides mine ;)

So, expect a new thread at the end of the week, showing the install of my massive calipers and manhole-cover-worthy rotors... that is if it all fits! the 30mm thick rotors leave SUCH a small clearance inside the rotor, the measurements had to be EXACT. if I F'ed it up, its going to be a very expensive mistake.
 
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My Wheels are Klutch SL14 18-8.5 +25 offset.

No you are 100% Correct Greyout I had it right in the 1st pictures I posted but this was a final test fit I am missing 1 piece of hardware from my brembo's and I bolted it all up and spun the wheel just to Confirm that everything was right.

There is a diffrence and I dont want to be a nerd but this is what I understand. The Slots on the outside do 2 things 1 they act as a suction break for the pad and the Rotor also "the reason the outer vane looks backwards" It helps carry brake Dust away from the Rotor and the wheels because the apperance its spinning backwards. If you ever see cars that the spin in the Direction of the Wheel you notice the wheels have 3x more brake dust on them.

Most Places that sell Crossdrilled its purely cosmetic though because most places dont Cryo treat the rotors to increase thier strength and offer chamfered holes "Contersunk" Helping with the way the disapate heat. Do you need the add ons No but it what really helps in High Performence Racing and not just regular daily driving.

Also this is whats posted on Brembo's website

Brembo Sport Slotted Rotors

Brembo Sport slotted brake rotors are for drivers who want to improve the looks and performance of their vehicle’s original braking system without having to change additional brake components. Brembo Sport slotted brake rotors provide excellent stopping power in everyday traffic, as well as high performance street and track driving.

Brembo Sport slotted brake rotors match the vehicle’s Original Equipment rotor’s dimensions and are fully compatible with its hubs, brake calipers and road wheels. Front and rear Brembo Sport slotted brake rotors are available to provide a matched appearance on all four corners of the vehicle, and employ one-piece vented or solid rotors depending on the vehicle’s Original Equipment specifications.

Starting with select castings, Brembo Sport slotted brake rotors undergo the race-born practice of machining multiple shallow slots into the disc’s front and rear surfaces to provide paths to disperse built-up heat and gasses and assist in refreshing the surface of the brake pads. Compared to cross-drilled rotors, machined slots have been widely adopted for racing and street use because they minimize the cracking caused by repeated, high stress, high temperature brake applications. The slots are angled to use the rotors’ direction of rotation to enhance their performance, which makes the rotors side-specific with left and right side rotors. Brembo Sport slotted brake rotors are sold in axle pairs and the easiest way to verify correct usage is to install the rotors on the side of the vehicle that results in the end of the slot nearest the outer edge of the rotor always contacting the brake pads first.

Brembo Sport slotted brake rotors are coated for corrosion resistance to help eliminate rust and offer a bold, aggressive appearance to enhance the look of the vehicle’s road wheels. NOTE: Light Truck and SUV rotors with studs or bearings are uncoated.

Brembo Sport slotted brake rotors are designed to meet the challenges of high performance street driving while adding an authentic, race-ready look.

NOTE: Brembo Sport slotted brake rotors can be used in conjunction with race compound brake pads on the track for drivers’ schools and lapping days.

IMPORTANT REMINDER: Slotted, drilled or dimpled rotors offered as OEM replacements should not be considered appropriate for high-speed track use.

While grooved, drilled and slotted rotors offer an enhanced appearance and add some resistance to the boundary layer of gasses that can build up between the pad and rotor, they are not designed to withstand the extreme temperatures that are produced on the racetrack. If they are used on the track, it is very important that the rotors be carefully inspected and should not be driven on if even minor signs of deterioration are seen. Note, too, that if any products are used on the track they are not warrantable.
 
#32 ·
The S2000 rotor is significantly thinner than the stock TSX rotor, even though it's the same diameter. You gain something in less rotating mass but you lose something in thermal heat-sink ability of the rotors. If anything they are going to be more prone to warping than stock TSX rotors.

braking from 140 or whatever (on the street probably) is a rather lame test of brakes, and not realistic. What's more important is how the brakes hold up to repeated 100-40 stops, like one would encounter on a track coming off a long straight to a fairly tight corner. (Say T2 to T3 at NHMS for example, when using south-oval configuration).

In almost all cases, braking can be improved much more in a realworld situation by choosing better pads and increasing venting to the rotor/caliper. on my track car (93 Prelude) I run 2.5" hose from the front airdam straight to the calipers/rotor hub area. Also, removing the splash sheild from the front brakes helps a lot. Then it's mostly a matter of pad choice: Hawk Blues for track use. Stainless lines, ATE Super Blue fluid round out the modifications. The above setup works great on track, negligible fade, etc.

Regarding the TSX big brake mods. The goals should be thus:

More thermal mass
larger rotor diameter (more force, e.g. longer moment arm)
less weight (2-piece rotors with aluminum top hat)
more stable/bigger/stronger caliper.

The TL-s upgrade checks most of these boxes. The DC5R/S2000 doesn't check as many. Sure, TL-s upgrade requires more cost and effort but in the end it's a better solution. (What geometry changes are a show stopper, btw? )

-Ed
 
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Guys are basing your information on TRACK USE my car is my daily driver in which I do not plan ever to track my TSX at ALL ever I have a Turbo Civic HB for that that has more than extensive mods on for the brakes than most people will not understand. This thread is for INFORMATION and just to put you in your place lets talk about Rotors.

The S2000 brake Rotor is Biggest Difference from the TL-S is diameter size 310 vs 299.6 and Height 45.44 vs 39.6. Also let me Comment that the thickness of the Normal S2000 brake rotor is 25mm vs the type S at 24.9 ??? Hmmm the both share 23mm Minimum thickness. Didn't you say it was significantly thinner? Look at the numbers Did you mean the height because by width its 3mm thiner than the TSX but didnt you just praise the TL-S setup?

Now if I throw in the TSX numbers everything changes but I am going to school you as to why being that people here don't read and I have to slightly educate them. The TSX Rotor Height as it might be Close to or the same as the Type-S but is much wider brake rotor and do you know why? Of course you don’t if you did you wouldn't have spoke out of turn.

The TSX standard brake just like the S2000 is a Floating brake rotor but where as the Caliper on these setups slides back and forth through the use of the slide pins. The JDM Integra Type R and The TL-S have Brembo's that are Fixed position calipers with Floating brake rotors. Lets look at the standard TSX Numbers though Diameter 300mm .04 larger than the S2000 ok next Height 47.2 ok that’s a 7.6mm difference Normal thickness 28mm minimum is 26mm but I can only think is that has to do with the HEIGHT! And weight is 18.76 compared to the 14.5 S2000 but again this has to do with the overall HEIGHT! And Normal Thickness.
What is Floating you ask it is when the Brake rotor is not in a Fixed Position that it is BOLTED to its Hub assembly, Similar to the 93 accord for reference to those of you who have seen that setup. Who came up with Floating brakes setups???? BREMBO.

As far the Brembo Brakes with the S2000 rotors I'm not using anything different than OEM. Yea I said it OEM the specs for this setup are the same as the OEM 06 Integra Type R which since you love the word Track. The Type R is a Daily and TRACK USE so if it’s good enough to be OEM on a car built specifically for weekend track use; It’s more than good enough for my Daily. Also if you want to use this setup and just get a better brake rotors and pads you can you can't get a larger Rotor to disperse heat better but you can also get a brake rotor made of higher quality metals as well and it will do the same job. They also make the brake rotor in a 2 piece design to OEM specs if you prefer.

Also me going up to 140mph in my car Did not spawn this quest to change my brakes but it did show me how much the OEM brakes are not sufficient enough to keep up with MY needs, I did not say the OEM brakes were bad I just thought they could be BETTER. If I wanted Track Style brakes the Brembo setup is reasonable and the brake rotors at 328mm has plenty of mass but I bet you didn’t think I knew those specs as well.

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Thanks for putting us in our place. My turn.

Guys are basing your information on TRACK USE my car is my daily driver in which I do not plan ever to track my TSX at ALL ever
Glad to hear you're going to keep your 140mph safely confined to the street.

I have a Turbo Civic HB for that that has more than extensive mods on for the brakes than most people will not understand.
Your 5-lug conversion or drum-to-disc conversion or whatever your civic has is not beyond anyone's comprehension.

just to put you in your place lets talk about Rotors.
lol

The S2000 brake Rotor is Biggest Difference from the TL-S is diameter size 310 vs 299.6 and Height 45.44 vs 39.6. Also let me Comment that the thickness of the Normal S2000 brake rotor is 25mm vs the type S at 24.9 ??? Hmmm the both share 23mm Minimum thickness. Didn't you say it was significantly thinner? Look at the numbers Did you mean the height because by width its 3mm thiner than the TSX but didnt you just praise the TL-S setup?
people praise the TL-S setup because it has pretty calipers. The only reason people use the TL-S rotors when they put the brembos on is because thats all they can get to fit.


but I am going to school you as to why being that people here don't read and I have to slightly educate them.


The TSX Rotor Height as it might be Close to or the same as the Type-S but is much wider brake rotor and do you know why? Of course you don’t if you did you wouldn't have spoke out of turn.
el oh el

The TSX standard brake just like the S2000 is a Floating brake rotor but where as the Caliper on these setups slides back and forth through the use of the slide pins. The JDM Integra Type R and The TL-S have Brembo's that are Fixed position calipers with Floating brake rotors.
Two piece calipers allow for a wider variety of rotor widths. The fixed position calipers that Brembo provided to Honda limited Honda to a certain size. Pad composition, selected by Honda, produces an amount of heat appropriate to the rotor size in normal driving.


Lets look at the standard TSX Numbers though Diameter 300mm .04 larger than the S2000 ok next Height 47.2 ok that’s a 7.6mm difference Normal thickness 28mm minimum is 26mm but I can only think is that has to do with the HEIGHT!
Excuse me teacher but the rotor THICKNESS refers only to the braking surface thickness and has nothing to do with hat size or rotor height

And weight is 18.76 compared to the 14.5 S2000 but again this has to do with the overall HEIGHT!


The Type R is a Daily and TRACK USE so if it’s good enough to be OEM on a car built specifically for weekend track use; It’s more than good enough for my Daily.
Your daily is AT LEAST 600 lbs heavier then a DC5R

Also me going up to 140mph in my car Did not spawn this quest to change my brakes but it did show me how much the OEM brakes are not sufficient enough to keep up with MY needs
Sounds like your needs are to be a hard parker and say 'check out my calipers'
 
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