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bob shiftright
01-06-2006, 11:58 PM
Good-bad-ugly....

OK, how's about beautiful?

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5106/italia7xs.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6554/0106mpetccolor8xy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5137/griffithsv28si.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/52/40075wlwlfsdw8fv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6362/8057zy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


HINTS:

This AIN'T no Ferrari!

it had an amazing FOUR (4) (IV) different names during it's life and the lump is or was (well, it mostly was):

Cast Iron block V8.
Displacement 273 cid.
Bore and stroke: 3.63 x3.31 inches.
Compression ratio: 10.5:1.
Brake horsepower: 235 @5200rpm.
Five main bearings.
Solid valve lifters.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1918/ambersredcoupe8sp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This 'un's fur the larch. (He might recognize those two buildings in the background!)

http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9162

AcidLotus
01-07-2006, 01:50 AM
Lotus?

West6MT
01-07-2006, 05:00 AM
I wanna say its a Jag,...but thats not right is it?

bob shiftright
01-07-2006, 08:34 AM
Not a hint, but I just noticed that the 2 pictures of the silver car with the Campagnolo wheels seem to be taken in exactly the same place, but the car has 2 different rear view mirrors!

bob shiftright
01-07-2006, 08:50 AM
Lotus?

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8806/bcgriffithbuck5ez.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

NOPE! No plastic HERE! This was a metal car, mostly steel, hand-formed over a wooden body buck.

bheywow
01-08-2006, 02:21 AM
Tvr

Peregrine
01-09-2006, 03:19 AM
Not a hint, but I just noticed that the 2 pictures of the silver car with the Campagnolo wheels seem to be taken in exactly the same place, but the car has 2 different rear view mirrors!

:) it may seem like so, but the background is different. So it may very well be a totally different place.

West6MT
01-09-2006, 07:20 AM
:) it may seem like so, but the background is different. So it may very well be a totally different place.

The two pics are taken from different angles. If you compare the road/trees/bushes on the left side of the pic,.............it is highly likely it is the same location.

West6MT
01-09-2006, 07:22 AM
What the heck is it????????????????

It looks similar in many ways to the Ferrari/fiat/pinninfirina (or whatever the heck that company is called)/ and something else,............ Dino. It has to be from around that same era,......but dunno what this car could be.

Things that crossed my mind,........
jag initially until I looked at it more closely
ferrari,........but knew it wasnt
pantera/lotus/tvr(but under a different name)

I dont know much about older cars,......so I have no clue.

bob shiftright
01-09-2006, 12:47 PM
Tvr

http://www.tvr-3000m.co.uk/291202/Pa250003.jpg

Two friends lift a 1976 TVR body.

Like Lotus, TVRs of the era had plastic bodies. The Mystery Car is made of steel!

bheywow
01-09-2006, 01:28 PM
Griffith

bob shiftright
01-09-2006, 03:26 PM
Griffith

http://img276.imageshack.us/img276/1241/0037372xo.jpg

From the exotic commuting suburbs of New York City......

It's.....it's......it's.....a....

a Griffith???

(Griffith, OR Omega, OR Torino, OR Italia, OR Intermeccanica (the coachbuilder) are all correct answers.)

Jack Griffith obtained a supply of steel bodies from Intermeccanica in Italy. He utilized a hot Plymouth engine to power the vehicle. After 1966, this car became the Omega.

Factory price: $6095 Shipping weight 2540.
Engine: Plymouth V-8. Overhead valve. Cast Iron block. Displacement 273 cid. Bore and stroke: 3.63 x3.31 inches.
Compression ratio: 10.5:1. Brake horsepower: 235 @5200rpm. Five main bearings. Solid valve lifters.
Carburetor: Carter Model AFB3853S four barrel.
Powertrain: Chrysler. Three speed Torque-Flite automatic transmission.
Chassis: Wheelbase: 941/2 inches. Overall length: 175 inches. Front tread: 56 inches. Rear tread: 56 inches. Tire size: 7.35x14.
Options: Four-speed manual transmission. Radio. Heater and defroster. Air conditioning. Leather upholstery. Removable hardtop.
Manufacturer: Griffith Motors, Syosset, New York (1964). Griffith Motor Car Co. White Plains, NY (1965). Griffith Motors Inc., Plainview, NY
Most Griffith engines were 273ci except for one 383ci prototype.

Holman Moody and Steve Wilder took over production in 1965 when the Griffith failed to get off it's feet and it became the Omega.

http://www.intermeccanica.org/vehicles/griffith/griffith.htm

The car had FOUR names and at least THREE different manufacturers during it's all-too-brief life. Somehow, the Griffith (Omega-Torino-Italia) story is NOT featured as the ultimate Harvard Business School Case Study on the subject -- "How NOT to plan, finance and manage a car company".

The geezer standing alongside the black coupe is Jack Griffith. They weren't all small-block Plymouth motors. With Holman-Moody in the picture, later cars were powered by Ford. The black convertible is one of the auction price records (step back and admire the amazingly straight bodywork!), it is reported to be equipped with a "built 351 Cleveland (Ford) V8 with 4 downdraft Webers".

http://www.intermeccanica.org/vehicles/griffith/Griffith_GT.jpg

http://www.sportscarmarket.com/profiles/2001/June/Etceterini/



http://www.sportscarmarket.com/img/profiles/224/0106_mp_etc_color.jpg

1971 Intermeccanica Italia Roadster

* Chassis #: 50-420-414

As Classic & Sports Car said in 1993: “The Italia may be one of the most gorgeously-styled cars ever made, but you may never have heard of it. The Italia is one of life’s great mysteries; it’s an especially beautiful car. It also looks curiously familiar... a touch of the Nembo Ferrari, or a NART Spyder, especially the grille. The only identification is two small badges, on the flanks, that say Carrozzeria IM and are adorned with rampant bull emblems. What is it? A Lamborghini? Nope. What you’re looking at is a genuine Intermeccanica Italia.”

It’s an Italian chassis with some modified Ford bits, and a steel body hand-formed in Turin. The Italia is a descendent of the Griffith GT, whose chief engineer was a young engineering graduate named Mark Donohue. When Donohue and Jack Griffith couldn’t make a go of it, Steve Wilder, Sports Car Illustrated writer and MIT engineering graduate with honors, got Lee Holman of Holman and Moody to do more development of a high-performance Ital-American car, the Omega. This was followed by a few cars built under the name Torino until Ford objected. The final flowering occurred when Frank Reisner’s Carrozzeria IM completely assembled a few hundred Italias in Turin, with excellent quality control and with the benefit of four years of engineering development.

Most early test reports were favorable. As David E. Davis said about the Omega in Car and Driver in 1967, “Everything about the design is clean. There’s an expensive feeling of quality about the whole vehicle, fit and finish are excellent. But enough looking—what about driving? The driving is, quite truthfully, a pure song, dyed in the wool, absolute gas... 150 good hard miles and from our standpoint the Omega was a complete success.” Sports Car Graphic said in 1970, “handling wasn’t bad, not too good, but not too bad... but it has the potential to be the FoMoCo version of the ’Vette. And it’s a lot more exciting.”

The vehicle pictured here had a ground-up restoration to a very high standard. The engine is brand-new, with four Weber carbs. The interior is black Connolly leather, stitched and piped in red, and the car is fitted with a black Haartz canvas top. Famous trumpeter Miles Davis once owned this stunning hybrid.

The SCM Analysis

On January 19th, 2001, Barrett-Jackson sold this car for $48,600, including buyer’s premium. This price is 87% over SCM’s Price Guide high of $26,000. It’s the highest price paid at auction for an Italia I’ve been able to find. Close to the peak in 1991, B-J sold a 289/271hp version for $44,000. But in 1996, a very original Italia with 6,559 miles, from the John McCaw collection, didn’t sell at an $18,000 high bid. And at Brooks’s 2000 Hershey auction, a nicely restored Italia coupe went unsold at $24,000.

So why this high price? Was it the Barrett-Jackson magic? Well, this year’s B-J event was a record breaker in many ways, with more bidders than ever before, the highest sales—$27 million—in 11 years and a closing rate of 83%. Of the 3,200 registered bidders, it was rumored that 200 had lines of credit of $1 million or better.

So the venue was right. The car was beautifully done as well, with expensive Borrani wires, and a crowd gathered around it all week. The attentive seller’s agent was friendly and available, albeit somewhat vague about any questions of originality or history.

With its four downdraft Webers on a built 351 Cleveland, the engine gladdens the heart of any hot-rodder. The Italia had excellent paint and a new, if not to original spec, black interior with red piping. Ignoring originality (how many know or care what’s correct, anyway), it was a very attractive, deep black, 95-point street rod with a genuine but convoluted Italian pedigree. And as Craig Jackson said this year,“Muscle cars are hot, but street rods are even hotter.” Perhaps the price reflects the attraction of the combination of the sinuous Italian styling and the brute-force American engine.

So for $46K, the new owner has a gorgeous, solidly restored, good-handling street rod with a genuine Italian chassis, body and provenance. Chances are this price is not repeatable outside Jackson’s Scottsdale arena, but even at $30,000, a well-done Italia offers eye-catching lines with tire-smoking American power, a potent combination.—John Apen

Caveat lector: The author, a long-time Ferrari owner, just finished a restoration on his 1971 Italia convertible, S/N 409, and is enjoying the combination of Ferrari-esque styling coupled with $150 tune-ups (that won’t even buy you one of the two distributor caps needed for a 275 GTS) to such a degree that the paragraphs above should not be construed as dispassionate investment advice.


http://www.plums.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/galleries/brochures%20A_M/photosA_M/italia.jpg

Here's one for sale, $31,000! (http://www.italiareproductions.com/class_05.htm)

larchmont
01-13-2006, 02:09 AM
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1918/ambersredcoupe8sp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This 'un's fur the larch. (He might recognize those two buildings in the background!)
Is that the pic you mean?
I haven't a clue! :donno:

P.S. I woulda figured you meant Ithaca. But I kinda know that probably ain't Ithaca. :D