Virginia Tech School Shooting

[gerardo]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18134671/

MSNBC and NBC News
Updated: 1 hour, 3 minutes ago

BLACKSBURG, Va. - Local, state and federal investigators scoured a university campus in Virginia for clues to what set off the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history after a gunman shot two people to death in a dormitory Monday morning before making his way to a classroom building where, silently and coolly, he killed 30 more people before turning his weapon on himself, authorities said.

At least 15 other people were wounded in the shootings, which took place over 2½ hours at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University. Some of them were injured as they leapt to safety from the windows of their classrooms.

The shootings, which came just four days before the eighth anniversary of the Columbine High School bloodbath, in which two students killed 13 people and themselves near Littleton, Colo., created panic and confusion at the university, which was already on edge after two weeks of bomb threats.

After the scope of the carnage was clear, angry students and employees demanded to know why the first e-mail warning from police and administrators did not go out to them for more than two hours, even though the killer of two people was at large. By then, the gunman had struck a second time.

[Kanon23]

I have been waiting for this thread to come up...RIP for those who couldn't make it :(

[06Tsxeer]

Yea... It's such a tragedy. We should all really try to appreciate our lives for what its worth cuz you never know when senseless acts like this will take it away from you one day.

[fadinglionhart]

Like Kanon said, RIP to those who didn't make it.

I'm getting really scared about going to college next year. Hopefully there'll be no psychos since UCSB is next to the beach and the beach is always chill.

[RaCeR4LiFe022]

Like Kanon said, RIP to those who didn't make it.

I'm getting really scared about going to college next year. Hopefully there'll be no psychos since UCSB is next to the beach and the beach is always chill.
amen to that!
RIP to who had their lives taken in this terrible act

[NeoChaser]

RIP.

i was on campus today when i herd the news.... give me the chills...

[hotpursuit]

Rip :*(

[HondaMan]

RIP :(

[robert_tg]

the gf was hot

[06Tsxeer]

the gf was hot

Are you talking about the gf of the gunman?

[BlueTSX05]

just stupid senseless act, RIP to all that were killed

[pcdawg]

Wow...heard about it and totally surprised the school did do anything after the 1st shootng incident.

RIP for those killed.

It was a south korean immigrant that did all that.....wonder what the motive was...

[robert_tg]

Are you talking about the gf of the gunman?
:confused:
yeah who else ? :slap:

[robert_tg]

crazy korean

[gerardo]

Asians tend to have the highest suicide rate due to academic and family pressure. this mostly applies to those who have very traditional families.

[06Tsxeer]

:confused:
yeah who else ? :slap:

I wasn't sure cuz i saw some pics of her and i didn't really think she was all that hot.

[VorteC]

yeah some korean guy did it.. his name is like seung something cho.

toronto star did an interview with his roommate and the roomate said he kept to himself all of the time and didn't say a word.. also, i don't know how many of you are familiar with the forum called 4chan, but basically it's a forum where hundreds of anonymous loners and losers.. and outcasts hang out and have really weird discussions, well "anonymous" posted on the day of vtech, "i'm going to kill people at vtech today"

[BlueTSX05]

cho seung-hui

[gerardo]

cho seung-hui

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j50/many88/20070417_2_TOPvtechshootingSTORY.jpg

[BlueTSX05]

they said he did all this with a glock 9, of course with no serial numbers

[VorteC]

damn.. he looks like a greasy sweaty psychopath.

[06Tsxeer]

Why did he have to look like a typical asian. It's already hard enough for asians as it is already to not be criticized.

[gerardo]

must read, very detailed.

http://www.stratfor.com/products/premium/read_article.php?id=287398

[06Tsxeer]

Requires membership

[gerardo]

By Fred Burton

Campus police at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg, Va., on April 17 identified the perpetrator of the shooting rampage on campus a day earlier as South Korean English student Cho Seung Hui. Thirty-three people died as a result of the attack and several others were injured, some seriously.

The shooting began about 7:15 a.m. on the fourth floor of co-ed dormitory West Ambler Johnston Hall. According to reports, Cho shot and killed his girlfriend and then a resident assistant who responded to the sound of the shots. Police were investigating those shootings when Cho stormed Norris Hall, a classroom building some half a mile away, and opened fire on faculty and students, killing another 30 people. The rampage ended when Cho killed himself.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j50/many88/virginiatech_map_634.jpg

Authorities have released few details about the attack, though several important points can be ascertained from the known facts. Given the history of school and university shootings in the United States, the certainty that others will occur and the warning from the FBI about a possible Beslan-style militant attack, the lessons from the Virginia Tech attack can be instructive -- perhaps even lifesaving.

Methodical Planning

First, the shooting was planned in advance and methodically executed. This conclusion is supported by the fact that Cho carried two pistols and loads of ammunition, that he went directly to another building for the second phase of the attack and that he used chains to secure the main doors to Norris Hall before opening fire. The chains served to keep targets inside the building "(my jaw just dropped right there...)"and to impede the entry of responding law enforcement officers. Cho had studied the building and planned accordingly.

Although criticism has begun over the level of security at Norris Hall, and Virginia Tech in general, attacks of this nature cannot be prevented by security devices and programs. Educational institutions, especially sprawling universities, are soft targets that cannot be hermetically sealed like a federal penitentiary. As such, prison-style security measures would be not only impractical, stifling and prohibitively expensive, but also ultimately ineffective -- because even tight security cannot stop a determined, suicidal attacker.

On campuses, even the best physical security measures -- closed-circuit television coverage, metal detectors, identification badges, locks and so forth -- have finite utility. These measures serve a valuable purpose, but they cannot stand alone. For one thing, the technology cannot evaluate and react. Also, it can be observed, learned and even fooled. Moreover, because some systems frequently produce false alarms, warnings in real danger situations can be brushed aside. Given these shortcomings, it is quite possible for anyone planning an act of violence to map out, quantify and then defeat or bypass physical security devices. In fact, security devices can be relied on too much, resulting in a false sense of security.

History shows us that even adding guards into the mix is not enough to prevent attacks. The March 2005 shooting in Red Lake, Minn., demonstrates that even strict access-control measures, such as ID badges, metal detectors and security guards, can be circumvented -- or neutralized. In Red Lake, the security guard was the first person killed.

Indicators of Planning

In past cases, school shooters often have given prior warnings as to their intentions. In other words, they did not just "snap" and go on a killing spree. In most cases, their attacks were methodically planned, often over a long period of time. Jeff Weise, the teenage student arrested for the Minnesota shootings, allegedly spent more than a year planning his attack, including conducting walk-through rehearsals and noting the location of security cameras. Weise also had help from a friend, who eventually pleaded guilty to transmitting threatening messages via the Internet.

As in workplace attacks, one of the biggest contributing factors to school shootings is the failure to identify the warning signs or to take the signs (even obvious ones) seriously. Because of this, following the April 1999 Columbine shooting, the U.S. Department of Education and the U.S. Secret Service conducted an extensive study of school shootings and developed educational materials that have helped raise the awareness of such warning signs.

The warning signs include sudden changes in a person's behavior, his or her decreased productivity, withdrawal from friends or the sudden display of negative traits, such as irritation, poor hygiene or snapping at or abusing fellow students. Perhaps the most indicative signs that serious trouble is looming are talk about suicide and/or the expression of actual or veiled threats. In most previous cases, especially those involving detailed planning, the factors leading to the violent outburst have built up over a long time. These factors have included failed romantic relationships, stress from family relationships, failing grades or perceived injustice at the hands of peers or teachers. As was highlighted in the Columbine case, quite often the shooter fantasizes about committing the attack for some time and even shares those fantasies with a friend or via an online form such as a blog or Web site.

Due to the government's educational efforts, several attacks have been foiled by people who have recognized and reported the warning signs to authorities. Of course in some cases, the signs have been as blatant as students sharing their plans for an attack in advance with their friends or warning other students not to go to school on a certain day.

Although the details of the events leading up to the Virginia Tech shooting are not yet clear, Cho apparently spent quite some time planning his attack, which strongly suggests he gave some indication of his intent that was not recognized or that he even made threats that went unheeded. There are now unconfirmed reports that Cho set at least one fire on campus, that he had stalked a student, that he had been sent for counseling and that he was taking an antidepressant. At least some of these indicators likely are true, and we anticipate that others will surface as the investigation into the attack progress.

Warning Systems

Some of the most critical comments about the Virginia Tech administration have centered on the long delay in notifying the faculty and student body that a shooter was at large, that the eventual warning was not transmitted to all and that it was confusing to those who did receive it.

One source at Virginia Tech said many people received no warning and that communication of the event was "very much a case of who had cell phone or wireless devices before the system was overloaded and crashed." In some university buildings, such as the library, the public address system is not used to convey emergency instructions. The source said the result was that large clusters of students "seemed to be caught between orders to go inside and some sort of building evacuation instructions," and thus remained outside. This confusion was cleared up once police began using the PA systems on their vehicles to convey clear instructions to the students.

So perhaps one of the biggest lessons from this attack will be the need for large institutions to have redundant and overlapping notification systems that will convey clear and consistent instructions. Such systems could incorporate e-mail notification, text messages and public address systems. Of course any such system would have to be routinely tested and refined to become more effective.

Contingency Planning

Historically, incidents of school shootings tend to spawn similar attacks so that three or four major incidents occur within a few weeks of one another. Given that precedent, the FBI's current concerns over a mass attack against a school, and the April 20 anniversary of the Columbine attack (which also is Adolf Hitler's birthday), it would be prudent for university security directors, local school boards, parents and students to review or establish emergency plans.

Like 9/11, the massive 2003 U.S. power outage and Hurricane Katrina, the confusion evidenced in Blacksburg highlights the need for contingency plans in the event of an accident, natural disaster or attack by criminals or militants.

Such plans are important not only for corporations and schools, but also for families and individuals. Furthermore, there should be a plan for each regular location -- home, work and school -- that outlines what each person will do and where they will go should they be forced to evacuate. This means establishing meeting points for family members who might be split up -- and backup points in case the first one also is affected by the disaster.

When such incidents occur, the ensuing chaos often results in difficulty communicating, as cell phone and regular phone circuits become overwhelmed with traffic. The lack of ability to communicate with loved ones can greatly enhance the panic felt during a crisis. Perhaps the most value derived from having a personal and family contingency plan is a reduction in the amount of stress that results from not being able to immediately contact a loved one. Knowing that everyone is following the plan -- and that contact eventually will be established -- frees each person to concentrate on the more pressing issue of evacuation.

Because of this, communication is an important part of any such plan, and redundant forms of communication must be established in advance. Past crises such as 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina have shown that even if cell phone and regular phone circuits are jammed, text messages and e-mail frequently will continue to work. This means that every member of the family, including technophobes, must learn to use text messaging and e-mail. While no emergency plan can account for every eventuality, such plans do provide a framework from which to work, even during times of panic.

The open nature of schools and universities makes preventing attacks on campuses extremely difficult -- though a student body, faculty and staff that know the warning signs can be a vital line of defense. Once an attack begins, proper communications and well-designed contingency plans can minimize the casualty count.

[06Tsxeer]

Yea, i heard about that on the news. He sealed off the main exits. I honestly hope the sick piece of shit goes to hell.

[06Tsxeer]

http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/

[robert_tg]

At first I thought he was new from Korea on visa...which would explain his "skills" with guns because SK has mandatory military service which is among the most stringent in the world.
I was really surprised to learn later that he's basically grew up here

[gerardo]

http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/
thats deep insight

[06Tsxeer]

At first I thought he was new from Korea on visa...which would explain his "skills" with guns because SK has mandatory military service which is among the most stringent in the world.
I was really surprised to learn later that he's basically grew up here

I just heard on the news that he came here with his parents in 2002

[gerardo]

holy crap i just read those two Plays, thats some SERIOUSLY disturbing S%!t. sounds like he might have been harassed.

[hotpursuit]

yeah, those two plays were messed up....why could'nt this cunt save us all the trouble and just kill himself instead of taking 32 innocent people with him.

[Obvis 07]

its personally so pointless to kill one self. honestly, if u think about it all u have to do is change how u think, but being understanding is something u have to accept. This was a sad and tragic event that has happened to the student of virginia and the US as well. All i hope is that the victim's family and friends recooperate from this incident and also i hope there r no racial conflicts for koreans or asians in general.

[robert_tg]

I just heard on the news that he came here with his parents in 2002

NO way
I will bet $1o that was wrong, he was here since he was 8 is what I have read all over.
Plus if what you heard were true, he'd be in ESL class, definitely NOT English major at a schol like VT

damn there's been so much ****ing misinfo out there, WTF gives ?
This morning, the "news" was he got his visa in Aug in Shanghai :spit:

[robert_tg]

holy crap i just read those two Plays, thats some SERIOUSLY disturbing S%!t. sounds like he might have been harassed.


Can you give some cliff notes ? like the "highlights" ?

[gerardo]

Can you give some cliff notes ? like the "highlights" ?

“I just said that his name sounds like kidney stone of the ass and that that’s why he is always gruffy and angry. His shit is so thick and so oddly shaped that he can’t go and all his shit are piled up in his intestines all the way up to his chest. He probably rips sphincter to relieve a single gram of turd after two hours of pushing, sweating, teeth clenching, screaming in frustration, and holding breath for half gram of green mold shit.”

“he ass-raped probably half the kids in class.”

“I wanna kill him.”

“I wanna watch him bleed like the way he made us kids bleed.”

“Giving me an after school detention and ass-raping me for make a harmless joke.”

“I’d like to kill him.”

“I’ll be damn if he doesn’t die. I wish that old fart would have a heart attack and drop dead like old people are supposed to.”


“What are you, a Catholic priest! I will not be molested by an aging balding overweight pedophilic stepdad named Dick! Get your hands off me you sicko! Damn you, you Catholic priest. Just stop it, Michael Jackson. Let me guess, you have a pet named Dick in Neverland ranch and you want me to go with you to pet him, right?”

“I hate him. Must Kill Dick. Must kill Dick. Dick must die. Kill Dick…”

“yes. Now, why don’t we go to the bathroom and do it doggy style, just the way you like it, honey-poo.”


-the whole thing is disturbing and odd.

[kyotousa]

wats the motive?

[Kanon23]

wats the motive?

some say his gf (maybe in his mind) cheated on him...

so many speculations...I probably would just let the event unfold rather than guessing

[06Tsxeer]

People were saying how he had an imaginary gf. He called her Jelly i think and she was a supermodel.

I was watching the Today show this morning as i was getting ready for work and they also said that he came to america as an immigrant a few years ago. I have no idea what the deal is. But in the end he had to have been a legal permanent US resident cuz he purchased a gun.

As for his parents, I feel bad for them because now they have to deal with people probably threatening them and sending them hate mail.

[kyotousa]

Man this is so disturbing.....especially for those 32 students
They died because someone went crazy......

[pcdawg]

I would have to blame the state for having such a lax gun law, or lack there of.

Basically anyone can buy a gun with just ID and cash which was what he did.

Walk up to a gun shop tell them you want a glock and they check your ID to show that you are of age and an american citizen flash some cash or swipe the card voila. Out the door.

[06Tsxeer]

I thought it was funny when CNN played a movie clip from "Get Rich or Die Tryin'" when the incident first occurred. I thought they were gonna blame this on rap music just like the situation with Don Imus.

[robert_tg]

why the heck is the whole world using his name "Asian style" (eg lastname firstname) ?????

[ChinchillaX]

hope this event doesn't cause backlash against asians. This also brings up how lax the gun control in this country is, hopefully this is addressed.

Also, looks like they might go ahead and "blame" violent videogames on this again.:rolleyes:

[HondaMan]

I moved this thread out of the politics forum, but I see you guys are bringing politics into now. So, (please) feel free to discuss your gun control thoughts in a new thread over there.

[gerardo]

BREAKING NEWS:

they found a letter mailed by Cho 2 hours, or in between the shootings which had pictures of him with the weapons and a letter.

his problem was with rich people (as stated in the letter, unreleased)

which would partially explain an event at the end of one of his plays.

[gerardo]

In short: mental illness + hatred towards the wealthy.

[Benz]

pic of the gf??

[Benz]

BREAKING NEWS:

they found a letter mailed by Cho 2 hours, or in between the shootings which had pictures of him with the weapons and a letter.

his problem was with rich people (as stated in the letter, unreleased)

which would partially explain an event at the end of one of his plays.

I just heard it on the news !!!

[Benz]

And cuz of this event, I actually bought newspapers to read about it since yesterday. I haven't read one since......gr8 from Humanities!!

So....it's pretty sad.. RIP guys...

[hotpursuit]

wow this kid had some serious problems...you have to wonder how can you buy guns when you have all these mental problem records. As for backlash against Asians, I dont think people are that stupid to realize one person will represent the values of an entire community...there may be one or two idiots who'd think otherwise.

[-phase-]

supposedly this guy presented 3 pieces of id and seemed 'normal' to purchase a gun..

[Benz]

Asians tend to have the highest suicide rate due to academic and family pressure. this mostly applies to those who have very traditional families.

I have first hand experience...

[code85]

People were saying how he had an imaginary gf. He called her Jelly i think and she was a supermodel.

What I've heard was that he was stalking some girl that was "supposedly" his gf and he sees her being dropped off by her real bf and I guess he got mad.

Another thing is that he was looking for her all this time and shot anyone got in the way =S

So many stories dont know which one to follow.

[-phase-]

pic of the gf??

she's imaginery

[06Tsxeer]

Basically there was no gf. The whole gf speculation thing came because the first girl who was killed had a bf a couple towns away and for some reason they suspected him. The problem with rich ppl thing is just one of the things that may have pissed him off but not mainly the whole reason. Apparently, if you read the article on yahoo, he was picked on back in middle school and high school for not speaking clear english. According to articles, he DID come to america from south korea back in 1992 with his parents who run a dry cleaning business. I think his problem with rich kids were probably because his family had to work hard while rich kids just had everything made and that irritated him.

Basically what i've been getting from what i've read in articles and watching news.

[robert_tg]

pic of the gf??
he aint got one

there was so much misinfo, so much shity news as late as Tuesday morning it's unbelievable in this information age.

(eg Tuesday morning EST: The killer got his visa in August in Shanghai.....wtf)

[code85]

This is who he was stalking and crazy for, Her name is Emily Hilscher

http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5451885,00.jpg

[Drunkenbuda]

He said he hated rich people, Sad. ****en hater......

[robert_tg]

that dude was the uber-Hater

[-phase-]

that dude had ISSUES

theres a rumor that his parents are in the hospital?

[Benz]

This is who he was stalking and crazy for, Her name is Emily Hilscher

http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5451885,00.jpg

she ain't hot enough to be stalked!!! :soapbox:

[-phase-]

she ain't hot enough to be stalked!!! :soapbox:

YOU'RE not hot enough to be stalked, pay some respect man :p she was one of the victims

[Benz]

He said he hated rich people, Sad. ****en hater......

Guess he hates me then....HAHAHAha, just kiddin ..

this subject is not a laughing matter~

[Benz]

YOU'RE not hot enough to be stalked, pay some respect man :p she was one of the victims

Of course!! Then I won't be in this kinda trouble. Haha. I actually forgot she was the first victim. But I heard the girl he stalked/liked was Hindu, like Indian. Not white!!

Oh ya, I heard his parents tried to kill themselves as well. But I guess it's understandable. I don't know how they can face society after this.

[-phase-]

there's a rumor tho..did they or did they not try to commit suey..i found it weird that cnn was talking to everyone BUT his parents..

[gerardo]

there's a rumor tho..did they or did they not try to commit suey..i found it weird that cnn was talking to everyone BUT his parents..

werd, they were hardly mentioned. but then again the guy is a full grown adult.

[GeneralCho]

The guy definitely had some issues. The pics that he sent to NBC were so different than compared to the initial pic of him. I really wonder why he did it.

I heard on the local news that a woman was beaten up at a skytrain station in Vancouver. Why do we have so many stupid ppl nowadays.

[robert_tg]

:spit: @ the ending of one of his masterpieces "Mr Brownstone"

[ChinchillaX]

I knew it was gonna happen, that ass hole Jack Thompson quicky blames videogames for this shooting rampage at Virginia Tech. Why doesn't he look at school bullying, which I heard on the news this kid was bullied in high school because he was Korean, for his poor english speaking, and his shyness. Videogames may have help him with some shooting skills, but still they need to look more into school bullying! :rolleyes:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18220228

IMO videogames aren't all bad, and they are good for stress relief. I too was bullied in high school and college because I am Chinese and a minority.

Again, Thompson needs to address school bullying more than violent videogames.

[06Tsxeer]

First off, F**K all those damn talk show ppl or whoever ppl that always try to blame music, movies, videogames, etc. And never blame the actual Asshole who does the shit themselves. The only person that could really be blamed is the dumbass who doesn't know how to think for himself and decide which is right from wrong.

So why was the woman at the train station beaten? Don't tell me it was because she was asian.

And for his parents, the reason why they haven't tried talking to them is because they can't even find them in the first place. Not even Cho's uncle who is close to his mother can find them. The rumors of them trying to commit suicide may be true because they are reportedly in the hospital.

[code85]

theres a rumor that his parents are in the hospital?

I heard that too, they went to the hospital due to the shock =S

[code85]

Why dont they ever blame sports like paintball, airsoft or even laser tag OR kids that go to cadets, they learn how to shoot there too... I know because I was asked to join the sniper team but declined. They always blame violent games..

[RaCeR4LiFe022]

First off, F**K all those damn talk show ppl or whoever ppl that always try to blame music, movies, videogames, etc. And never blame the actual Asshole who does the shit themselves. The only person that could really be blamed is the dumbass who doesn't know how to think for himself and decide which is right from wrong.

So why was the woman at the train station beaten? Don't tell me it was because she was asian.

And for his parents, the reason why they haven't tried talking to them is because they can't even find them in the first place. Not even Cho's uncle who is close to his mother can find them. The rumors of them trying to commit suicide may be true because they are reportedly in the hospital.
Lets not the forget the great excuse "hes mentally ill" and or handicapped.

[ChinchillaX]

Why dont they ever blame sports like paintball, airsoft or even laser tag OR kids that go to cadets, they learn how to shoot there too... I know because I was asked to join the sniper team but declined. They always blame violent games..

exactly, but then again bullying caused this shooter to lose confidence and made him more angry inside. In his mind he probably felt rejected by society, just like the two Columbine shooters.

Jackass Thompson, Joe Loserman, and Hillary Satan Clinton thinks every videogame is violent, they're is quick to blame the gaming industry....that means he also includes games such as Gran Turismo, Madden2007, Brain Age, and Tetris and those are considered violent. aehe10

Again, they need to really address the problem with school bullying!

[06Tsxeer]

Next thing u know they're gonna blame Napoleon Dynamite for the way he was talking.

[gerardo]

Next thing u know they're gonna blame Napoleon Dynamite for the way he was talking.
LOL

[shay654]

A definite tragedy! A senseless act for sure! I can't even begin to imagine the fear those students faced while being hunted like animals! *shudders*

My thoughts and prayers definitely go out to the family and friends and especially the victims! I can only imagine the pain and grief they are going through! God bless them all and God bless everyone else!

I think this is a perfect example as to why people should live life to the fullest because tomorrow is never promised today and anything can happen! Count your blessings and don't take life for granted!

:(

[shay654]

its personally so pointless to kill one self. honestly, if u think about it all u have to do is change how u think, but being understanding is something u have to accept. This was a sad and tragic event that has happened to the student of virginia and the US as well. All i hope is that the victim's family and friends recooperate from this incident and also i hope there r no racial conflicts for koreans or asians in general.

It's purely psychological. When a person feels out of place in situations and behaves in a peculiar manner, it's evident that these types of people have the capability of becoming a psychotic person! Their only way to CONTROL the situation is deal with things in this way! It's about CONTROL! Since he felt that he had no control over his own life and the tauntings he may have experienced or any injustice he faced around him, he felt that he can control things by feeling superior over other people! In this case, they feel that having control over other people's lives is the only way he can get "even"!

By taking his own life, he doesn't feel that he has gained that kind of power! If anything he probably felt the opposite! That's why he probably wanted to take down the whole school to fill his superiority complex!

Of course, this is all just my thoughts on the situation! So, I can't really tell for sure as to why! But from what I've heard on the news, this was a calculated and well thought out execution! The one thing that really caused the breakdown in this situation that could've prevented all those lives from being jeopardized is....COMMUNICATION!

There was a lack of communication in the campus from the FIRST initial incident prior to the mass killings! And the fact that this guy had BLOGGED about it on a site and the fact that one of the teachers who witnessed his disturbing skit from and drama class! That teacher should've done her job and reported that skit!

What people fail to realize is the fact that these people are in some way ASKING FOR HELP or are giving CLUES TO THEIR IMPENDING ACTIONS! All the signs were there! It was just a matter of people seeing those SIGNS and being able to COMMUNICATE them!

Isn't that what happened with most tragedies? A lack of communication!?!?!?!? Who knows. I'm sure anyone would be pressured to do the right thing when the time came, but at some point when are we going to open our eyes and deal with those situations is the question!

And I agree with Obvis 07! I hope no one takes this tragedy to another level of racial conflicts! It's happened with the September 11 tragedy with the muslims and sikhs. I don't think anyone should see another race in a different light because of it! It's the INDIVIDUAL person that is accountable! Not a the race or background of the individual committing the crimes!

Okay, I need to stop rambling!

[shay654]

People were saying how he had an imaginary gf. He called her Jelly i think and she was a supermodel.

I was watching the Today show this morning as i was getting ready for work and they also said that he came to america as an immigrant a few years ago. I have no idea what the deal is. But in the end he had to have been a legal permanent US resident cuz he purchased a gun.

As for his parents, I feel bad for them because now they have to deal with people probably threatening them and sending them hate mail.

I think his sister goes to Princeton.

I'm sure they came here for their education and to have a better life for their kids! It's just unfortunate that this guy snapped!

[shay654]

I would have to blame the state for having such a lax gun law, or lack there of.

Basically anyone can buy a gun with just ID and cash which was what he did.

Walk up to a gun shop tell them you want a glock and they check your ID to show that you are of age and an american citizen flash some cash or swipe the card voila. Out the door.

Yeah, the guy that sold him the gun feels really bad! Unforunately, the gun laws in that state aren't as strict like most states! I'm sure they'll have a lot of talk regarding that ammendment for a while!

[shay654]

BREAKING NEWS:

they found a letter mailed by Cho 2 hours, or in between the shootings which had pictures of him with the weapons and a letter.

his problem was with rich people (as stated in the letter, unreleased)

which would partially explain an event at the end of one of his plays.

Yeah, he talked about rich kids and debauchery! I guess he didn't like the way some kids treated college life! Who knows! :donno: Maybe he really had good school ethics and felt that some people are too spoiled and treated school like a 24/7 party! That'd be ironic if this guy was actually a SERIOUS student! Then again, most intelligent people are capable of such psychotic acts!

[shay654]

First off, F**K all those damn talk show ppl or whoever ppl that always try to blame music, movies, videogames, etc. And never blame the actual Asshole who does the shit themselves. The only person that could really be blamed is the dumbass who doesn't know how to think for himself and decide which is right from wrong.


I agree! I don't like when people blame movies, tv shows, music, etc when something bad happens! It's like...blame the INDIVIDUAL! What makes you think the media has anything to do with all the bad that's happened?! I mean I'm sure some are responsible for all that, but come on....blame the INDIVIDUAL person! If it's true that the media has some kind of help in getting people to do things, then I would be doing the same stupid things like they would do in Jacka$$ or any violent movie or rap music.....but I don't! It's clear that a person's sanity is what determines who is capable of copying senseless acts or going along whatever the media portrays! ANd I'm sure the media needs to take responsibility for that, but it's like going with the whole individual person....the individual should be held accountable and not what is being put out there by the media!

If you're gonna be an idiot and do JackA$$ stunts or go ballistic and act out the movie "Natural Born Killers"....then it's all up to those psychopathic individuals to do so! But no one is to be blamed, but YOURSELF and whoever is commiting the crimes!

[shay654]

exactly, but then again bullying caused this shooter to lose confidence and made him more angry inside. In his mind he probably felt rejected by society, just like the two Columbine shooters.

Jackass Thompson, Joe Loserman, and Hillary Satan Clinton thinks every videogame is violent, they're is quick to blame the gaming industry....that means he also includes games such as Gran Turismo, Madden2007, Brain Age, and Tetris and those are considered violent. aehe10

Again, they need to really address the problem with school bullying!

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