TESTING WATERS: GROUP BUY J's RACING Titanium FX 60RS

[AJR-COW]

J's Racing FX 60RS Titanium Muffler - Acura TSX 02+ (CL9)

J's Racing developed the full titanium exhaust system for street and circuit application. Titanium is used as material to reduce massive weight. The piping design is to reduce as much back pressure as possible to obtain maximium power gains. Silencer can also be purchased to reduce exhaust sound.

http://www.aj-racing.com/catalog/files/d_1576.jpg


Just wanted to see how many people would be interested in a group buy for this exhaust. We are looking forward to start this group buy as soon as we can get enough buyers. If you have any questions please feel free to PM us.

Hi thanks for all the inquires, As for now we have not had enough people to confirm the group buy we need to have a confirmed number before we can get a firmed group buy price.

To give you guys a rough idea..please check out our website for pricing.

http://www.aj-racing.com/catalog/product.php?productid=576&cat=0&page=1

Thanks

Calvin

[Deux3]

i'm down for a group buy. what kind of prices are we looking at here?

[rjsdxm]

im intrested let me know the prices

[06Tsxeer]

Im in for sure.

[CCColtsicehockey]

to get more interest I think we would all like to know what the group buy rate would be.

[ebell]

I am interested in this dependnign on the price

[TSX TH]

to get more interest I think we would all like to know what the group buy rate would be.
I concur with J. Richardson. Is this a single exhaust setup? I'm not sure how that would look with 2 factory cut-out's in the back.

[06Tsxeer]

It would look good if we had this....http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16803&page=1&pp=15

[wbenitez1128]

:idea: what about the new j's racing dual 60rs??

[06Tsxeer]

It's alot more expensive.

[CCColtsicehockey]

It would look good if we had this....http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16803&page=1&pp=15
that only works with the stock 04 05 bumper and no lip kit.

[06Tsxeer]

So are there any solutions for 06+? I remember seeing somewhere there was a JDM rear lip kit or full body kit that was setup for single exhaust. Anyone know anything of this?

[CCColtsicehockey]

So are there any solutions for 06+? I remember seeing somewhere there was a JDM rear lip kit or full body kit that was setup for single exhaust. Anyone know anything of this?
are you saying you dont want a lip kit then cause this doesnt work with one. if you get any aftermarket body kit that is fiberglass you can get the 2nd hole custom blocked off and blended into the kit.

[06Tsxeer]

I'm guessing u can't do it with mugen lip kit then?

[Adamantiium]

unless mugen themselves make one for their own lip kit then no. they use a dual exhaust so mostly you wont be seeing one for their rear

[bernardtamhk]

Js racing exhaust .... very nice! ... but be warned... this exhaust is "loud" .... since its a single output exhaust, dont think it has a resonator either.

[wbenitez1128]

i believe there is a silencer to reduce sound output. From what i've heard it isn't horribly loud...it actually is one of the best sounding exhausts i've heard.

the dual rs is almost twice the amount of a single but it is an option for those who find the need for keeping a dual outlet setup.

[06Tsxeer]

Doesn't seem loud at all to me. Theres a video clip if u do a search. Sounds really good to me.

[CCColtsicehockey]

I'm guessing u can't do it with mugen lip kit then?
yes you can the mugen kit is made of fiberglass just make sure the shop is very good.

[06tsx]

depends on the price

[MemphisRheins]

Depending on the price im interested, especially a little later on this summer (i.e when I have more $)

[CCColtsicehockey]

Depending on the price im interested, especially a little later on this summer (i.e when I have more $)
same here. i would like to do it right after my nifty little conversion.

[wbenitez1128]

Depending on the price im interested, especially a little later on this summer (i.e when I have more $)

:sprint:

[pcdawg]

Isnt the pic in th first pic with the exhaust a TSX/euro-r with an Euro-R lip?

[Bender Unit]

Isnt the pic in th first pic with the exhaust a TSX/euro-r with an Euro-R lip?:nod: FF_TSX's car

[-phase-]

Isnt the pic in th first pic with the exhaust a TSX/euro-r with an Euro-R lip?

they were referring to having the plug fit properly..but in the other thread..the red accord had usdm lip kit on it WITH the plug..

http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/showthread.php?p=261936#post261936

[GAntonio]

This exhaust is not that loud at all. I think the Greddy Evo's are louder. My only complaint is that it rattles like a beer can, because of the "lightness" (being that its made of titanium). The solution would be to "firm up" the hangers.

[CCColtsicehockey]

This exhaust is not that loud at all. I think the Greddy Evo's are louder. My only complaint is that it rattles like a beer can, because of the "lightness" (being that its made of titanium). The solution would be to "firm up" the hangers.
really its not louder than the greddy. I want it too. I want a race car sound. maybe I will have to go with the 70RS.

[06Tsxeer]

Is it even street legal?

[CCColtsicehockey]

Is it even street legal?
no but then again, neither is my ride height, neither is my steering wheel/airbag, neither is my front bumper support, neither are my fog lights, etc, etc.

[GAntonio]

really its not louder than the greddy. I want it too. I want a race car sound. maybe I will have to go with the 70RS.


Hey Colts,

You know the 70RS is a strictly track exhaust setup. I believe it only works with a racing test pipe as well.

Also, when I ordered some Samco hoses yesterday Dickson from AJ racing said that they had the new dual 60rs on order and arriving soon. Dual burnt titanium tips would look sick!!!

[CCColtsicehockey]

Hey Colts,

You know the 70RS is a strictly track exhaust setup. I believe it only works with a racing test pipe as well.

Also, when I ordered some Samco hoses yesterday Dickson from AJ racing said that they had the new dual 60rs on order and arriving soon. Dual burnt titanium tips would look sick!!!
yeah but you could have a custom cat made to fit in place of the straight pipe. It depends what direction I go with my car. If I go race style with tones of suspension mods then I am going single exhaust, if I stay more luxury then I will stay with my greddy exhuast.

[GAntonio]

Race!!!! If you wanted VIP you could've bought a LExus. :chebosto:

[MemphisRheins]

Is it even street legal?

If it was I wouldnt want it so bad :rollsmile

[CCColtsicehockey]

Race!!!! If you wanted VIP you could've bought a LExus. :chebosto:
you can still go vip style with this car. airrunner, kenstyle, some vip wheels.

[MemphisRheins]

Go VIP Style... I want to see Curtains!

i'll buy that exhaust first!

[CCColtsicehockey]

Go VIP Style... I want to see Curtains!

i'll buy that exhaust first!
:rofl: I dont know if I would even go that far.

[06Tsxeer]

If it was I wouldnt want it so bad :rollsmile

Well who wouldn't? They claim it gives 20whp.

[AJR-COW]

The 70RR is a straigh pipe it is one peice from the header to the axle back.

Hey Colts,

You know the 70RS is a strictly track exhaust setup. I believe it only works with a racing test pipe as well.

[wlctl]

im very interested what would prices be like? id have to sell my comptech if anyone is interested...

[Roastpig]

im down for it, but really depends on the price

[David Muny]

Interested.

[Bender Unit]

WoW, alot of interested :thumbsup: Nice

[Benz]

70 RS is cooler!! Ahaha

[06Tsxeer]

So can we get a price to see how many ppl are willing to buy?

[AJR-COW]

So can we get a price to see how many ppl are willing to buy?


Yup.. just need to know who is seriously interested. If you guys are please send me a PM

Thanks

Calvin

[06Tsxeer]

We need 5 real buyers to get a price people. Come on!

[AJR-COW]

We are checking with Japan on the ETA of the exhusat. Once we get enough people we can place an order and get a ETA.

Thanks

Calvin

[CCColtsicehockey]

whats the price difference between the 60RS and the 70RS. also is the 70RS actually going to meet up with a tsx header since it is designed for the euroR. since we can cut the j's exhaust since it is titanium and re weld it then would that mean I would have to cut my header.

[Bomboi]

can we get pricing on this yet??? i need to know how much i gotta win at the casino

[AJR-COW]

UPDATED

Thanks:P

[CCColtsicehockey]

sorry guys as much as I really really want this I dont have the money at all right now for it.

[Bomboi]

we couldnt even get pricing??????

how does anyone buy anything without knowing pricing first???

[CCColtsicehockey]

^^ if you go on the site the exhaust is just over 1300 + shipping so I am sure with a group buy the maximum discount would be about 150. so basically just take a guess of an around about price.

[Bomboi]

1150 i'd pay that

[PJS]

^^ if you go on the site the exhaust is just over 1300 + shipping so I am sure with a group buy the maximum discount would be about 150. so basically just take a guess of an around about price.

You can't just assume things CCC.
It's up to the vendor to do HIS maths, then come on and say what the price break points are for x number of buyers.
This is how business works in the real world.
A supplier/manufacturer doesn't say to a reseller/distributor - if you give me x amount confirmed sales, I'll tell you you're discount/margin.

So, to AJR - get your act together and post a price for 5, 10 and 20 - then whoever wants in will know the price dependent upon the total number who do put their name forward.
That's how you test the waters to see who's interested, not the other way round!
You as a vendor can set a stipulation such as only those who've been registered more than x months/years or with x number of posts, qualify for the group-buy pricing.
All very simple if you think about it for 5 mins.

[SpEcIaL-K]

omg i want this soooooo bad >.< dont have enough cash though :(

[AJR-COW]

I am sorry you are upset that we do not have a price. But like I said we do not know how much discount we are getting from J's, as I said before pending on how many people we have interested then we can go about in pricing. The only reason we made this thread is because we have been getting lots of people asking for a group buy for this exhaust. That is why we made this thread, just so we can get an idea of how many people are actually serious. If you would like a rough idea on pricing please check out our website.

http://www.aj-racing.com/catalog/product.php?productid=576&cat=0&page=1


Once again I am sorry that we do not have a price yet. But please understand
we have to have a firm number before we can get a firm price. When i get back to the office on Monday I will try my best to get a an Aprox. Price for you guys.

Thanks

Calvin




You can't just assume things CCC.
It's up to the vendor to do HIS maths, then come on and say what the price break points are for x number of buyers.
This is how business works in the real world.
A supplier/manufacturer doesn't say to a reseller/distributor - if you give me x amount confirmed sales, I'll tell you you're discount/margin.

So, to AJR - get your act together and post a price for 5, 10 and 20 - then whoever wants in will know the price dependent upon the total number who do put their name forward.
That's how you test the waters to see who's interested, not the other way round!
You as a vendor can set a stipulation such as only those who've been registered more than x months/years or with x number of posts, qualify for the group-buy pricing.
All very simple if you think about it for 5 mins.

[CCColtsicehockey]

You can't just assume things CCC.
It's up to the vendor to do HIS maths, then come on and say what the price break points are for x number of buyers.
This is how business works in the real world.
A supplier/manufacturer doesn't say to a reseller/distributor - if you give me x amount confirmed sales, I'll tell you you're discount/margin.

So, to AJR - get your act together and post a price for 5, 10 and 20 - then whoever wants in will know the price dependent upon the total number who do put their name forward.
That's how you test the waters to see who's interested, not the other way round!
You as a vendor can set a stipulation such as only those who've been registered more than x months/years or with x number of posts, qualify for the group-buy pricing.
All very simple if you think about it for 5 mins.
I have worked in the business world with buying and selling shit I understand how price break down works. However if you go base it off his for sale thread then what I posted is pretty damn correct.

[CCColtsicehockey]

I am sorry you are upset that we do not have a price. But like I said we do not know how much discount we are getting from J's, as I said before pending on how many people we have interested then we can go about in pricing. The only reason we made this thread is because we have been getting lots of people asking for a group buy for this exhaust. That is why we made this thread, just so we can get an idea of how many people are actually serious. If you would like a rough idea on pricing please check out our website.

http://www.aj-racing.com/catalog/product.php?productid=576&cat=0&page=1


Once again I am sorry that we do not have a price yet. But please understand
we have to have a firm number before we can get a firm price. When i get back to the office on Monday I will try my best to get a an Aprox. Price for you guys.

Thanks

Calvin

I dont see why you need a firm number. ask J's what would the price be if we have 5, 10, and 15 orders.

[SpEcIaL-K]

would u happen to hav pics of the full exhaust kit?

[PJS]

I have worked in the business world with buying and selling shit I understand how price break down works. However if you go base it off his for sale thread then what I posted is pretty damn correct.

No, what you've suggested is nothing more than a guess - anyone of us could've done that.
10-12% is about par for the course, but can't be assumed it is the likely discount since AJR is seemingly unsure what price he buys his products for.

[PJS]

I am sorry you are upset that we do not have a price. But like I said we do not know how much discount we are getting from J's, as I said before pending on how many people we have interested then we can go about in pricing. The only reason we made this thread is because we have been getting lots of people asking for a group buy for this exhaust. That is why we made this thread, just so we can get an idea of how many people are actually serious. If you would like a rough idea on pricing please check out our website.

http://www.aj-racing.com/catalog/product.php?productid=576&cat=0&page=1


Once again I am sorry that we do not have a price yet. But please understand we have to have a firm number before we can get a firm price. When i get back to the office on Monday I will try my best to get a an Aprox. Price for you guys.

Understand Calvin, I'm not looking for a fight, but knowing what I do know about importation and distribution, you MUST know what price you're buying the exhausts for.
If you don't, then you'll not be in business too long, since you won't know whether you're making a profit or losing money on each one sold!
Now, there's absolutely nothing preventing you from suggesting a price it will be based on the price you currently buy them for.
If you have intentionally kept profit to the bare minimum, then I understand you need to know how much extra discount you can haggle with J's if you order x amount - but there nothing stopped you already asking that question on the supposition of set numbers (5, 10, 20, etc) or what J's price breakpoint are. As a manufacturer, they shouldn't be running to the nearest calculator to work out what they can afford to let you have them for - that should be something they've already decided and have to hand.
This way, you could've put out the GB price and any additional discount you got from J's is extra in your pocket or the price can be revised.

As a manufacturer, if I make something, then I have to know how much it cost me for materials and labour per item, then factoring in my overheads, what my minimum take needs to be, and what I would prefer to take to fund further R&D and stay in business through profits. Then, I look at what the competition is doing theirs for, and price according to that and any additional benefits mine has over theirs, and what it's reasonable to expect the market to bear.
At that point, I'm free to then decide how much discount retailers (local) and foreign distributors will get. If they or I want to shift more units to them, then I make the discount better.
Simple business 101 as you guys like to say.
For me, it's plain ordinary common bloody sense - no ifs, ands, or buts!

BTW, I was not upset, just speaking out more forcibly than others who may've been thinking the same thing, but couldn't be bothered to write as much.

[CCColtsicehockey]

No, what you've suggested is nothing more than a guess - anyone of us could've done that.
10-12% is about par for the course, but can't be assumed it is the likely discount since AJR is seemingly unsure what price he buys his products for.
my guess was at least made with some information to make an informative guess. better than any answer we were given so not sure why you are so erked by it.

[PJS]

You seem to think because I pointed out you can't assume the amount you guessed is likely or even possible (depending on AJR's margins vs retail price they've set) that I'm irked?
I made a simple observation and you've mistaken it as having a go at you - only you can explain why that is, 'cause I sure can't.
Your assumption may very well be correct, but let's sit tight and wait for Calvin to see what he can wrangle out of J's.
I'd imagine there's not much room to move until J's tells him they'd do an extra X% for 10 or more.
5 (in my mind) doesn't seem enough to make a difference and worth J's taking less profit themselves, but you never know!

[AJR-COW]

So I have just talked to my boss. and I can give you guys a rough estimate for pricing. As for why we need a firm number is because only a certain number can be produced in a month due to the material and the man power at J's. We need a firm number to check the stock in Japan. We don't want you guys have to have to wait half a year or a year for your exhaust system that is why we need a firm number before we can place an order.

As for pricing Current Retail Price is 1549.00 CAD Aprox. 1347.01 USD With the purchase or 5-10 You will be saving Aprox. 5-10+ percent. We can't give you a firm number because we do not know yet how much they have in stock and how much more needs to be made.

I am sorry once again at this point i cant give you guys anymore information, If you are unsatisfied with my service please PM my boss AJ PwR.


Thanks

Calvin

[CCColtsicehockey]

You seem to think because I pointed out you can't assume the amount you guessed is likely or even possible (depending on AJR's margins vs retail price they've set) that I'm irked?
I made a simple observation and you've mistaken it as having a go at you - only you can explain why that is, 'cause I sure can't.
Your assumption may very well be correct, but let's sit tight and wait for Calvin to see what he can wrangle out of J's.
I'd imagine there's not much room to move until J's tells him they'd do an extra X% for 10 or more.
5 (in my mind) doesn't seem enough to make a difference and worth J's taking less profit themselves, but you never know!
Never once did I say that it was a correct price but rather a rough estimate.

oh and by the way according to the price he just listed above minus 5-10% looks like was basically right.

[PJS]

Calvin, it's not a matter of anyone (especially me) being dissatisfied with your service, but if this is the info you're being fed by management, then I'm sorry to say this, but they are talking out of their arse.

J's knows how many they have on their shelves, and how many are currently being fabricated. They know how much it costs them, and they know how much they are prepared to sell them to the trade at in whatever quantity. They also know what throughput they can provide in a month.

Therefore, all that is required by anyone is simply an e-mail to and from J's asking how much extra discount over and above the normal margin you get, can they offer for 5, 10, 20 systems in one order.
They do not need to have assurances that you will be ordering x amount in order to provide you with your price.
If they are, then they need to go take a flying leap at a rolling donut, and for you to turn your attention to another brand altogether.
Anything short of asking the question and receiving a reply is complete and utter bollocks in any shape or form of business.

Again, remember this is not me having a go at you personally Calvin, but the way in which you seem to have to work by your employer or being strung along by J's.
Any company that won't release pricing without confirmed sales is not one I'd be interested in doing business with - and I'm aiming that more at J's than yourselves, but I'm out on this one.

Good luck in raising enough confirmed sales to make it worthwhile offering.

[PJS]

Never once did I say that it was a correct price but rather a rough estimate.

oh and by the way according to the price he just listed above minus 5-10% looks like was basically right.

Yes, you guessed somewhat right.
A round of applause.
Give yourself a pat on the back - I can't reach from over here!

[Benz]

I totally agree with PJS on this one though. That's not how one runs a business.

Hey, maybe you should start a shop too. It's all the rage!

[AJ PwR]

No, what you've suggested is nothing more than a guess - anyone of us could've done that.
10-12% is about par for the course, but can't be assumed it is the likely discount since AJR is seemingly unsure what price he buys his products for.


How can I not know the prices ?? :grinno: I need some time to do all my home work such as prices, availability and shipping.

I totally agree with PJS on this one though. That's not how one runs a business.

Yes, I know I don't know how to do business LOL but I am trying to improve it :)

[AJ PwR]

Calvin, it's not a matter of anyone (especially me) being dissatisfied with your service, but if this is the info you're being fed by management, then I'm sorry to say this, but they are talking out of their arse.

J's knows how many they have on their shelves, and how many are currently being fabricated. They know how much it costs them, and they know how much they are prepared to sell them to the trade at in whatever quantity. They also know what throughput they can provide in a month.

Therefore, all that is required by anyone is simply an e-mail to and from J's asking how much extra discount over and above the normal margin you get, can they offer for 5, 10, 20 systems in one order.
They do not need to have assurances that you will be ordering x amount in order to provide you with your price.
If they are, then they need to go take a flying leap at a rolling donut, and for you to turn your attention to another brand altogether.
Anything short of asking the question and receiving a reply is complete and utter bollocks in any shape or form of business.

Again, remember this is not me having a go at you personally Calvin, but the way in which you seem to have to work by your employer or being strung along by J's.
Any company that won't release pricing without confirmed sales is not one I'd be interested in doing business with - and I'm aiming that more at J's than yourselves, but I'm out on this one.

Good luck in raising enough confirmed sales to make it worthwhile offering.

I would like to clearify a few points here.

1- J's Racing does not have any TSX exhaust in stock.

2- After we send in the order to J's, J's will have to get back to us for the schedule of their factory (how much time to produce them). Basically, the 60RS for TSX is order to make so there nothing on the shelf ! ZERO !

3- J's Racing FX60RS Retail $1550CAD approx. $1350USD
If we are able to get 5+ buyers then the price will be $1400CAD approx. $1220USD plus shipping.

10 or more buyers, then I will consider to move the price furthermore :)

Thanks
Ben @ AJR

[Bomboi]

[Drunkenbuda]

hmmmmm.....thinking about it......Hmmmmmmm........

[CCColtsicehockey]

darn now i am going to have to find a deifferent exhaust. no fun having an exhuast 5-10 other people have.

[AJ PwR]

darn now i am going to have to find a deifferent exhaust. no fun having an exhuast 5-10 other people have.

Jason,

I think you should be the only one thats going to have it in NYC ;)

[MemphisRheins]

price sounds pretty good, 10 people would be great though to get us a little more of a discount, unfortunately I dont have the money quite yet this early in the summer, but maybe next time... Thanks A&J

[CCColtsicehockey]

Jason,

I think you should be the only one thats going to have it in NYC ;)
I would love to be the only one on the east coast with it personally or even like 1 of 3 in the US. One of the reason I dont normally buy group buy parts. However I since I might be switching my parts over to everything that j's racing has soon.

[SeanS627]

I would love to be the only one on the east coast with it personally or even like 1 of 3 in the US. One of the reason I dont normally buy group buy parts. However I since I might be switching my parts over to everything that j's racing has soon.

well the east coast thing is out the window

i've been wanting the single outlet exhaust since i bought the car, but you can cover the north and i can take the south...........sound good........... :shiner:

[06tsx]

well the east coast thing is out the window

i've been wanting the single outlet exhaust since i bought the car, but you can cover the north and i can take the south...........sound good........... :shiner:
and i guess i'll take all of hawaii!!!!!!!!!!! :buttkick: :D

[em199si]

im in