RSB and Strut tower bar

[baudit2]

What benefit does a RSB and a Strut tower bar provide? is this a noticeable upgrade? Easy install?

[VorteC]

I felt significantly less bodyroll and felt a more nimbler handler. The strutbar install depends on which bar you end up with.. if you go with the Spoon or Cusco you will have to bend the AC hose a bit to make it fit in, but that's the only hard part of the intallation.

My RSB is still sitting in my garage waiting to be isntalled but you gotta jack up the car and remove the stock rsb and put in the new one.. hopefully your endlinks arent rusted. i think alot of ppl use energy poly bushings too... I haven't done this install myself yet so not too sure.

[BlueTSX05]

yes the RSB install is a piece of cake, other than if your endlinks are rusted like vortec said. I have the progress RSB and it made a big difference in cornering. I don't have the front strut bar. I also have the ESB bushings but havent installed them yet, just went with the ones that came with the bar.

[MemphisRheins]

I felt a significant change on the road feel and especially on the track with both bars, particularly the Neuspeed Strut tower Bar vs the Cusco I have now. The installs for both are rather basic. Also to avoid a bad situation with the endlinks, pick up some pc blaster from any autobody shop, go under the car, and just give the endlinks a quick squirt... do that once a day for a week before you install it, those bolts will come right off.

[04whitetsx]

i'm thinking about getting a cusco strut bar soon.

will it be any difference if i just have cusco front strut bar and not the back?


thanks

[VorteC]

it may feel sort of weird to have the front all stiff and the rear swaying.

[BigBen]

I would get the RSB before I would get the Strut tower bar. I have the cusco front strut bar right now and I really can't tell that big of a difference when I put it on.

[baudit2]

yea memphis, i heard that some pc blaster does the trick for just about any tough nut or bolt. So Neuspeed is better than Cusco?

[MemphisRheins]

I feel that the Neuspeed has a better design then the cusco, its a much stiffer bar... however its also a much harder install for that reason, and is not compatible with some of the suspension systems, I.E you can not adjust dampening as easily, and you certainly can not install the Tein EDFC, which is the only reason I switched...

RSB however is still significantly more important then the front sway or strut... best bang for the buck you can get for the car right there

[baudit2]

neuspeed have an RSB?

[VorteC]

neuspeed is also teh cheapest of all the strut bars

[inkedup]

neuspeed have an RSB?

:nod:

http://www.tsxparts.com/product_info.php?cPath=25_58&products_id=73

[WhiteTsx001]

You'll feel a bigger difference with the RSB then the front strut..

[clee109]

surprised no one mentioned anything about oversteer and understeer. FSB will create understeer which means you need to turn the wheel more to make the car turn. RSB creates oversteer which means you need to turn the wheel less to make the car turn. I have the CT RSB and Neuspeed FSB and I am happy with the combo. The FSB provides a "stiffer" feeling wheel and the RSB allows me to take corners with more confidence

[baudit2]

:nod:

http://www.tsxparts.com/product_info.php?cPath=25_58&products_id=73


Good lookin out.. Any deals on these on other websites?

[MemphisRheins]

surprised no one mentioned anything about oversteer and understeer. FSB will create understeer which means you need to turn the wheel more to make the car turn. RSB creates oversteer which means you need to turn the wheel less to make the car turn. I have the CT RSB and Neuspeed FSB and I am happy with the combo. The FSB provides a "stiffer" feeling wheel and the RSB allows me to take corners with more confidence

Perfect response, I was trying to dumb it down before, but that is well said.

[xjohnkdoex]

neuspeed bar--isn't it also less thick than the comptech and progress? i think it's 19mm vs. the other 2 which are 22mm.

[MemphisRheins]

yep, the neuspeed bar is the thinnest of all bars as far as rear sway bars go... front stut tower wise, if your not planning on running tein flex or an EDFC, the Neuspeed Strut tower is the best, also one of the cheapest

[clee109]

yes the neuspeed RSB is 19mm compared to 22mm. Here's a quick break down:

Stock: 15mm diameter

Neuspeed: 19mm diameter, this is less stiff than CT and Progress which will not yield the same gain. However; at a small diameter it's easier on the bushing mounts and the endlinks because it will flex more.

CT (comptech): 22mm diameter, more stuff than neuspeed and Progress which yields an excellent gain. However; on the other site I read a thread regarding a broken bushing mount in relation to the CT RSB. However; 1 out of the thousands installed doesn't warrant any fear.

Progress: 22mm diameter, adjustable, can be same stiffness as CT or less stiff with adjustment. Will have the same gain as CT. Haven't heard any negatives about it yet. However; not as many Progress RSB's installed as CT so overall reliability is unclear.

[baudit2]

Now what is this trouble I've heard about the RSB getting in the way of your exhaust? How do you know if it will clear it?

[clee109]

only RSB that is getting in the way of exhaust is the Comptech RSB and will only clear the OEM exhaust or Comptech's exhaust. Neuspeed and Progress will clear I think all aftermarket options for the TSX

[baudit2]

Awesome. As far as bushings go, use stock or upgrade? I guess the better idea would be to upgrade since I'd be upgrading the RSB and the stock bushings are probably all weathered and old. (58K Miles on my TSX)

[lcrazyaznl]

You guys know why it will only clear oem?
When you install headers or exhausts you move the whole system back or closer in.

You need to change the cat to a smaller or longer one... or have you exhaust shop put in a extra piping.

I had mine installed when I got the lower custo type 2 tie. The exhaust needed move back so nothing would hit.

Im running neuspeed rear, it still hit, if i didn't adjust the exhaust system.

[clee109]

Awesome. As far as bushings go, use stock or upgrade? I guess the better idea would be to upgrade since I'd be upgrading the RSB and the stock bushings are probably all weathered and old. (58K Miles on my TSX)I used the energy suspension poly bushings. But if you get Progress it comes with poly bushings
:ben:

[dinoc]

By FSB do you mean Front Sway Bar (not Front Strut tower Bar), right ?

surprised no one mentioned anything about oversteer and understeer. FSB will create understeer which means you need to turn the wheel more to make the car turn. RSB creates oversteer which means you need to turn the wheel less to make the car turn. I have the CT RSB and Neuspeed FSB and I am happy with the combo. The FSB provides a "stiffer" feeling wheel and the RSB allows me to take corners with more confidence

[clee109]

By FSB do you mean Front Sway Bar (not Front Strut tower Bar), right ?FSB = Front STRUT Tower Bar maybe I should say FSTB from now on =P

[baudit2]

Oh boy, now I'm royally confused. What's the difference between the FSB and the FSTB? I think I know where they go on the vehicle, but I don't know the difference.

[HONDATSX]

Oh boy, now I'm royally confused. What's the difference between the FSB and the FSTB? I think I know where they go on the vehicle, but I don't know the difference.

front strut goes on top usually mounted in the above the shocks. and sway bar is under the car?..

[dinoc]

Ok, now I'm confused, too ... why the front strut tower bar (which is supposed to reinforce the chassis ) can cause understeer ... I'm just trying to understand this (I thought you were referring to the front sway bar) ?

[clee109]

Front sway bar is underneath the car, Front Strut Tower Bar is on top under the hood. FSTB creates understeer because of keeping the front wheels tied to each other (hard to explain). Makes it harder to turn the wheel etc... because both wheels are as independent of each other.

[dinoc]

Well what I knew was :
- a bigger Front Sway Bar can cause understeer
- a bigger Rear Sway Bar can cause oversteer
- Front Tower Strut Bar, just reinforces the chassis in order to avoid strut towers to flex under hard cornering ...

That's what I asked about this ... did not know that a FSTB could cause understeer.