2006 TSX Cross drilled rotors

[BuickGS]

Hello All.............

We purchased a new TSX for our son prior to his leaving for another tour in Iraq. He will be home soon, and I wanted to make a few changes to his car at his request prior to his arrival.

He wants to install cross drilled rotors and upgrade the pads. Does anyone have any suggestions what company has real good rotors and pads for this swap? I can locate cross drilled/slotted rotors but cannot seem to locate just cross drilled...our son claims they are out there but I'll be damned if I can find them.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,

Gordon

[gerardo]

i suggest the Brembo big brake kit. The price is ok, there are some very expensive kits out there and the Brembo is a good midrange great performance Rotors and Caliper kit.

[Jays98cobra]

ur best bet is to use ebay for rotors...i just got a set of them and bendix pads...heres a link...

Just get them zincked and painted and they will look great..and the pad from any parts store by u--

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=320127891376&rd=1,1

Jay

[BuickGS]

Appreciate the replies. I checked out the Brembo setup and I think I'll go with it. I'll wait a little and see if others here on the board have an opinion just to make sure I'm making the correct call.

Regards,

Gordon

[Peregrine]

there is a long discussion on that topic, linked from our DIY/FAQ Menu. That may give you few more leads.

[clee109]

Big Brake Kits have the look that people want but are not all that practical for street use. You may be better off getting the Powerslot rotors if you want the slotted look and some Hawk pads, or the best option in my opinion for a TSX is just a set of Brembo blanks (no slots or perfs just like regular rotors but cool faster) and hawk pads. Then get some stainless steel lines for increased pedal feel. That would be the most practical and versatile solution.

[PJS]

He doesn't need the Brembo big brake kit - waste of money unless he tracks the car.
If he tracks the car, he'll want the better stopping power of slotted only rotors, and some HAWK or Project µ (Mu) racing brakepads.
If he's just after the bling factor - then R1Concept rotors or some of the other ebay ones are more than sufficient. With the street versions of the aforementioned pads, he'll be better off with the dual drilled/slotted design since the drilled only has less surface area for the pads to bite on.
Drilled only will run cooler and he'll suffer less from brake fade due to boiling fluid, but the dual design is better due to the cleaning action the slots provide. Slightly more wear on the pads, but that's the only downside.
Slap on some stainless brake lines as an extra surprise - they'll have a much needed effect for the small outlay, irrespective of whether you go for drilled only or duals.

http://www.centricparts.com/techsupport.htm - worth the time spent reading!

[gerardo]

He doesn't need the Brembo big brake kit - waste of money unless he tracks the car.
If he tracks the car, he'll want the better stopping power of slotted only rotors, and some HAWK or Project µ (Mu) racing brakepads.
If he's just after the bling factor - then R1Concept rotors or some of the other ebay ones are more than sufficient. With the street versions of the aforementioned pads, he'll be better off with the dual drilled/slotted design since the drilled only has less surface area for the pads to bite on.
Drilled only will run cooler and he'll suffer less from brake fade due to boiling fluid, but the dual design is better due to the cleaning action the slots provide. Slightly more wear on the pads, but that's the only downside.
Slap on some stainless brake lines as an extra surprise - they'll have a much needed effect for the small outlay, irrespective of whether you go for drilled only or duals.

http://www.centricparts.com/techsupport.htm - worth the time spent reading!


the TSX is not for him... its for his son which asked for some form of brake kit.
all i know is that if i were his son i would be thrilled to get a brembo kit.

[PJS]

Well, d'uh!
I did read that - hence my opening sentence.
Equally, you didn't bother to read some of the PDFs in the link provided!
If you had, you'd not be still advocating the BBK, which going back to my opening sentence, is a WASTE OF MONEY unless you track the car.
Since it's not being tracked, then the bling factor and an increase in braking power can be had for much more sensible money.
I'm sure his son will appreciate the gesture irrespective of whether $1300 or $500 has been spent on it. And bear in mind $1300 is only the front brakes done - $500 is all four corners and lines!

[stuntman]

Crossdrilled tend to crack. Go with slotted, but if cross-drilled is what is truly desired, then go with Brembo and no other -since they cast their rotors with the holes already in them rather than 'drilling' a blank rotor.

Either case in not necessary since we race with blank (no crossdrilled or slotted) on our racecar. But if he truly wants slotted or drilled, go with Brembo

$0.02

[PJS]

Sorry, but you can't generalise because of something that used to happen many years ago.
Most, if not all, cross-drilled rotors are countersunk so as to prevent the stress cracks from forming.
Some are cryogenically annealed to remove stresses in the metal and offer a harder surface - R1 can provide that option for another $40/set of four, IIRC.

As for you racing on blanks - I presume you have air ducts to cool the brakes?
Presuming so, then you can't directly correlate what you use with that on the road in the absence of brake ducting, so drilled and slotted rotors will be cooler than the OEM blanks in the same situation.

[WhiteTsx001]

Hmm... Ive had my Brembo Cross drilled for at least 6 months and nothing yet guess I am lucky? Tho they look alot better then blanks hehe..

[stuntman]

Sorry, but you can't generalise because of something that used to happen many years ago.
Most, if not all, cross-drilled rotors are countersunk so as to prevent the stress cracks from forming.
Some are cryogenically annealed to remove stresses in the metal and offer a harder surface - R1 can provide that option for another $40/set of four, IIRC.
I can generalize because it happens crossdrilled rotors do have a tendency to crack more so than slotted or blanks, it happened then and although better now, it still happens often.

Many rotors are not cast with the holes in them (as brembo is) and even though they are counter-sunk, the process of drilling them does create stress points (even the cast brembo rotors still have that problem, but at a lesser degree).

I instruct at Skip Barber and our Porsche 911s and Boxters with OEM cross-drilled rotors do develop hairline and eventually cracks as compared to our M3s with blank rotors never have this problem.

Altho Cryo-treating rotors do help, crossdrilled still have a tendency to crack over slotted or blanks.

Theirs a reason all manufacturers of competition brakes moved away from crossdrilled to slotted or dimpled rotors (Alcon, AP, Brembo, Performance Friction).

Most people daily driving and even occasional track days probably won't crack their crossdrilled rotors due to the advances in rotor technology, but they will develop cracks far earlier than a blank or slotted.

Brakes are the most important safety feature on your car (next to tires), i would NEVER skimp on rotors or pads.

As for you racing on blanks - I presume you have air ducts to cool the brakes?
Presuming so, then you can't directly correlate what you use with that on the road in the absence of brake ducting, so drilled and slotted rotors will be cooler than the OEM blanks in the same situation.
Yes they are ducted and do cool the rotor more than a ductless street application, but the fact remains that their is a reason we do not use crossdrilled because of their tendency to crack -for our circumstances, even with cooling they will crack, our blanks dont. So as I said before, although most probably wont crack a crossdrilled for daily driving and occasional track useage, it will crack earlier than a blank, whether cooled or not, whether daily driving or racing.

PJS: what's your experience and background on this topic?

[stuntman]

Hmm... Ive had my Brembo Cross drilled for at least 6 months and nothing yet guess I am lucky? Tho they look alot better then blanks hehe..
WhiteTsx001: Fyi -about your rotors:


"Starting with select castings, Brembo Sport drilled brake rotors undergo the race-born practice of cross drilling to provide multiple paths to disperse built-up heat and gasses. The Brembo Sport rotor’s cross-drilled holes are bi-angle chamfered at the rotor’s outer surfaces to help reduce the cracking caused by repeated, high stress, high temperature brake applications. Brembo Sport drilled brake rotors are sold in axle pairs.

Brembo Sport drilled brake rotors are coated for corrosion resistance to help eliminate rust and to offer a bold, aggressive appearance to enhance the look of the vehicle’s road wheels.

Brembo Sport drilled brake rotors are designed to meet the challenges of high performance street driving while adding an authentic, race-ready look. NOTE: Light truck and SUV rotors with studs or bearings are uncoated.

NOTE: Brembo Sport drilled brake rotors are not recommended by The Tire Rack for track use. For severe duty brake demands see Brembo Sport slotted brake rotors."

-Straight from Brembo and Tire Rack

You'll be fine with those rotors, I wouldn't worry. At least you bought one of the best, well-developed crossdrilled rotors out there.

[PJS]

A lot of interesting and factually correct stuff.

The problem stuntman, is everything you've said is centred around racetrack usage, and not daily driving.
So, your generalising of the drilled rotors being more weak than slotted only or blanks is entirely valid, but bears little relation to the world where the OP's son is most likely to be using the new brake components, when he returns home.

We've already done the brand thing recently - see the R1 Concept thread.
You may place all your faith and trust in Brembo or suchlike, but a brand name is not the be all nor end all of what constitutes a well designed and made product - irrespective of whether it's a car part, a domestic appliance, or toothpaste.
All I've said is that the OP needn't spend the money on a Brembo BBK unless his son is tracking the car more often than not.

As for cracking discs - yes, some still do, just like some cars are faulty from day one. It's part and parcel of volume production and tolerances used to keep the price reasonable.
Better material matrix, countersinking the holes, and other treatments have moved things on from the time when drilled rotors were to be avoided at all costs.

I happen to believe the OP should just opt for slotted only rotors, but as they are a quite a bit more aggressive on the pads, the sensible option is for drilled and slotted, cryo'd rotors, which will be MORE than adequate for the intended usage.

[Peregrine]

you guys are giving me such a headache...
:Popcorn:

[PJS]

:confused:

You sharing that popcorn or what?
As for your headache - take an aspirin. :p

[Project_TSX]

since the OP hasnt specified whether it will be tracked or not that whole argument is pointless as of now. from everything i have heard/read the brembo kit is great. if he wants it let him get it.

[Peregrine]

not sharing my popcorn... grrrr...

just watching you bicker with each other. Hope I got enough popcorn to last to see who wins in the end :D

[PJS]

since the OP hasnt specified whether it will be tracked or not that whole argument is pointless as of now. from everything i have heard/read the brembo kit is great. if he wants it let him get it.

:laugh: As if I'm in any position to prevent him buying whatever he decides on.

Opinion asked for, opinion given - it's up to him now as to what he does.

[PJS]

not sharing my popcorn... grrrr...

just watching you bicker with each other. Hope I got enough popcorn to last to see who wins in the end :D

The winner will be the OP's son - neither stuntman nor I.
Not so much bickering as difference of opinion and looking at the same thing from two differing viewpoints.




BTW, hope you choke on your popcorn - I've got my own now........and a beer! http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pj.skelton/emoticons/razz.gif

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pj.skelton/emoticons/popcorn.gif

[Peregrine]

:Popcorn:

[stuntman]

We've already done the brand thing recently - see the R1 Concept thread.
You may place all your faith and trust in Brembo or suchlike, but a brand name is not the best all nor end all of what constitutes a well designed and made product - irrespective of whether it's a car part, a domestic appliance, or toothpaste.
All I've said is that the OP needn't spend the money on a Brembo BBK unless his son is tracking the car more often than not.
Brembo is the benchmark for a reason. I have had nothing but good experiences with all of their products, and although they may not be the best (i'd prefer their competition in some regards) -you can't go wrong with their products. I do not have 'faith' in their products and go with them or state that they are by far the best out there, but I do work with Brembo's motorsport division and know a lot about their manufacturing and technology that goes into their products. -They make a good product.

I have also worked with many other brake pad, rotor, BBK manufacturers and can say good and/or bad things about them. As far as brembo goes, I can generalize that you can't go wrong with their products -especially for street/track upgrades.

PJS: I still havn't heard your response to what your background with racing/braking systems/pretty much this topic...


The problem stuntman, is everything you've said is centred around racetrack usage, and not daily driving.
So, your generalising of the drilled rotors being more weak than slotted only or blanks is entirely valid, but bears little relation to the world where the OP's son is most likely to be using the new brake components, when he returns home.

We've already done the brand thing recently - see the R1 Concept thread.
You may place all your faith and trust in Brembo or suchlike, but a brand name is not the be all nor end all of what constitutes a well designed and made product - irrespective of whether it's a car part, a domestic appliance, or toothpaste.
All I've said is that the OP needn't spend the money on a Brembo BBK unless his son is tracking the car more often than not.

As for cracking discs - yes, some still do, just like some cars are faulty from day one. It's part and parcel of volume production and tolerances used to keep the price reasonable.
Better material matrix, countersinking the holes, and other treatments have moved things on from the time when drilled rotors were to be avoided at all costs.

I happen to believe the OP should just opt for slotted only rotors, but as they are a quite a bit more aggressive on the pads, the sensible option is for drilled and slotted, cryo'd rotors, which will be MORE than adequate for the intended usage.
First off, I understand the OP probably won't track, or if so, just HPDE's where most crossdrilled rotors should be fine -agreed.

As for racing is concerned, theirs a reason companies race - to test their products, and if crossdrilled cracks before slotted or blanks (in general) then they will inately crack during a given situation where slotted or blank won't (not saying that it will or wont crack on the street, but if it does, a blank or slotted probably wouldn't have). For arguments sake, most name-brand cross-drilled rotors should be fine.

I agree OP should not buy BBK, their is no reason and even if they do track it, getting a proper pad, rotor, and stainless steel line will be more than enough for even a modded TSX. A BBK for a TSX (unless it has over 400hp) is an overkill and although their won't be a performance loss by doing so, it's probably a waste of money and for 'bling' factor over necessity.

However I would not buy a $100 crossdrilled rotor from brand X, I would never skimp on rotor, pad, or stainless steel brake line, buy a name brand rotor who have done testing and development, if you buy a cheap crossdrilled rotor, it will have a much greater chance of cracking (even on the street) than one of the bigger name brands.

Either drilled or slotted will create more wear on the pads (slotted more so -as PJS has stated). I would reccomend slotted -theirs many companies - brembo, powerslot, etc... (check out Tirerack.com) that are acceptable, as far as drilled goes, i'm personally a bit more picky due to my experiences on and off track with them and would simply reccomend Brembo for crossdrilled rotors.

By the way: I agree, the point of forums and topics are to hear out conflicts of opinion, backgrounds, experience, etc... The winner will be OP's son because they will ultimately come to their own conclusion with this added information (reason for them posting). On the other hand, their are others who just like to post to whine and talk about popcorn :rolleyes:

[PJS]

One's background is only of interest to the debate where it's a matter of trying to win a pissing contest - something I prefer not to entertain as it serves no purpose to the matter in hand.
I have said all there needs to be said - in fact I feel sorry for the OP who's probably wondering what on earth he's started.
I hope we haven't pissed him off and that he takes the advice and opinions on board and makes a decision which he's happy with, and that his son will be grateful for on his return - which I'm sure we all hope is in one piece.

[stuntman]

^ the reason for the question was to give a little history/backing for your statments. If you are a regular at autocrosses, track days, club or regional racing and have 1st hand experience on the topic that others can benefit from. Or possibly have no experience and just regurgitate what you have read on the i-net from others who have done the same (which is far to common on forums). -I am not accusing that you are/or do by any means.

It helps to know background and come to common grounds (possibly on a common product that we both have experience with) which me might come to an agreeance on some aspects of the topic (which we have already done -which will greatly help OP's decision making).

Not a pissing contest by any means or my ___ is bigger than yours. Simply to better the thread for all.

[Peregrine]

I hope nobody here has regarded this as a "pissing contest". It's a technical debate that provides a lot of feedback to readers. I have been following it :Popcorn: and so far I have to say that I see good points brought up by both of you. In the end this will have to probably come down to a personal choice based on several factors (such as looks, performance, price, user feedback, etc.) combined together.
I'm glad to see that no one has taken this argument personally. Debates like this are very educational for everyone, and we just have to keep in mind that we're trying to get the best of thing, not let these things take the best of us. :)

[stuntman]

I hope nobody here has regarded this as a "pissing contest". It's a technical debate that provides a lot of feedback to readers. I have been following it :Popcorn: and so far I have to say that I see good points brought up by both of you. In the end this will have to probably come down to a personal choice based on several factors (such as looks, performance, price, user feedback, etc.) combined together.
I'm glad to see that no one has taken this argument personally. Debates like this are very educational for everyone, and we just have to keep in mind that we're trying to get the best of thing, not let these things take the best of us. :)
Well said!


In the end this will have to probably come down to a personal choice based on several factors (such as looks, performance, price, user feedback, etc.) combined together.
Exactly, points/information is brought up (hopefully from experience) and it's up to the the reader to decide what they believe and what application is best for them for what they are going to be doing.

[SoCaliTrojan]

One's background is only of interest to the debate where it's a matter of trying to win a pissing contest - something I prefer not to entertain as it serves no purpose to the matter in hand.

In the academic community, your responses would be ignored since you refuse to provide any background information. Anyone on the internet can make claims. For example, look at all the urban legends that keep making their way around through your e-mail. Just look at wikipedia. There was a guy claiming he had 1 or 2 doctorates, and kept writing articles on several topics. When he was discovered, they had to remove his articles (imagine all the kids who cited his "work" for their papers). By not stating your background, you're trying to imply or claim that you have the education or experience to back up your statements.

You don't have to have the experience that stuntman stated he has...just let us know if you're regurgitating the information from elsewhere or if you have personally experienced it. Forums provide anonymity...break that anonymity and let your reputation build up in this community

The OP's son is so lucky (unless if he's going to reimburse his dad with his enlistment bonus ;-P). I won't add my take on this since stuntman and PJS have already iterated what I would have said...I'll let them duel this out =P

[PJS]

I don't think there's any point going any further off topic than we've already done by citing how and where my knowledge was gleaned.
I've put forward logical reasons why the OP should spend only a few hundred $$ rather than a $1000+ BBK.
I've also explained my reasoning for going for dual drilled/slotted rotors rather than drilled or slotted only, and why coupled with improved pads and SS brake lines all round, will be the best option.

The only area of any contention is a) whether to opt for a well known brand of rotor or not, and b) how prone current drilled discs are to stress fractures forming.
Both of which I've covered here and in the R1 Concepts thread.

Anything else is superfluous to the thread and best reserved for the technical threads contained within the FAQs.
The OP has all the info he needs and with which to base a decision upon. It does not bother me in the slightest whether he goes with stuntman's due to his self confessed occupation, or mine due to my focusing on regular daily driving which one presumes is all his son will be doing, or the odd day here and there on a track - in which case a set of Toyo 888's would be worth investing in, along with some lightweight wheels.

So with that, I now hand back the thread to Buick for him to let us know what he's decided to opt for.

[gerardo]

in the end it comes down to the $$$, we all gave our opinions, its up to BuickGS to decide, whatever it is i hope both he and him son are happy with the purchase.

[ktraver97ss]

Big Brake Kits have the look that people want but are not all that practical for street use. You may be better off getting the Powerslot rotors if you want the slotted look and some Hawk pads, or the best option in my opinion for a TSX is just a set of Brembo blanks (no slots or perfs just like regular rotors but cool faster) and hawk pads. Then get some stainless steel lines for increased pedal feel. That would be the most practical and versatile solution.


Wow...thats exactly what i was going to say :grinno:

I just put powerslot rotors, hawk pads, and stainless lines from summit on my silverado and they made a huge difference!! truck feels about 1000lbs lighter when im slowing down and they dont fade when i really have to stomp on them.

[kyotousa]

lol same topic same replies

I expressed my opinion, you expressed your opinion, he expressed his opinion
it's an internet fight...you can't convince anyone...haha

I wonder if race teams are dumping name brands and start buying ebay brand to save money tho

[PJS]

I wonder if race teams are dumping name brands and start buying ebay brand to save money tho

Sure, even though they run sponsorship programs for the teams or the series with brake kits provided for very little money or in return for their name on the car.


http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/images/smilies/1/rolleyes.gif

[kyotousa]

Sure, even though they run sponsorship programs for the teams or the series with brake kits provided for very little money or in return for their name on the car.


http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/images/smilies/1/rolleyes.gif

are you saying the race teams only use the name brand brake kit cuz they are cheap?

I don't understand what you trying to say here? haha

[PJS]

No, I'm saying they've no need to trawl ebay looking for cheaper brake components since they'll have sponsorship deals in place, either directly or as part and parcel of the series they race in.
In lieu of direct full sponsorship, they will be getting the kit at a very good price in return for a logo on the car - known as part-sponsored.
At this point, there's nothing to be gained by looking for equally good, but cheaper stuff from someone else without running their logo on the car.

[kyotousa]

i sense that you feel brand name doesn't equal quality

So if the ultimate goal of racing team is to win the race and I suppose they will be trying to get the best part.....why don't they put on a cheap non-brand ebay goods?

Lets say they are getting part sponsor...it's still cheaper to buy ebay

this has nothing to do with this topic...but I just think it's a flawed theory

[clee109]

What about this: You get what you pay for? that seems to sum it up on all ends. If you want a BBK you get what you pay for, if you want drilled/slotted rotors you get what you pay for, you want pads you get what you pay for etc.... That rules out ebay all together! LOL

[Jays98cobra]

What about this: You get what you pay for? that seems to sum it up on all ends. If you want a BBK you get what you pay for, if you want drilled/slotted rotors you get what you pay for, you want pads you get what you pay for etc.... That rules out ebay all together! LOL

i love how everyone bashes ebay like its a company...when its a place u can buy brembos or no names or wilwood or anyone else...just cheaper...
lol
Jay

[PJS]

i sense that you feel brand name doesn't equal quality

Your tingling spidey senses fail you, and rather badly too.


Lets say they are getting part sponsor...it's still cheaper to buy ebay

No it's not - there is not THAT much difference, hence there being no benefit to buy from an ebay vendor.

[clee109]

i love how everyone bashes ebay like its a company...when its a place u can buy brembos or no names or wilwood or anyone else...just cheaper...
lol
Jayuntil that ebay seller advertises brembo's and they look like them, even have the same box, then you get them....and.....they're not lol

[kyotousa]

i sense that you feel brand name doesn't equal quality


Your tingling spidey senses fail you, and rather badly too.

No it's not - there is not THAT much difference, hence there being no benefit to buy from an ebay vendor.

From post 15


You may place all your faith and trust in Brembo or suchlike, but a brand name is not the be all nor end all of what constitutes a well designed and made product - irrespective of whether it's a car part, a domestic appliance, or toothpaste.


lol wtf....
I guess you think it's fun to say the opposite

[PJS]

Now you're just being a complete prat!
How in hell's name can you paste my remarks, yet fail to comprehend what they say - a 3 yo could bloody well understand them fully.

Let's put this into a language even you can't fail to grasp:

1) Brand named goods do not ALWAYS signify top quality
2) Brand named goods cost more since they spend more on marketing
3) In any arena where sponsorship is concerned, the price (where paid) makes buying cheaper parts a moot point, since there's not enough of a saving to make it worth doing

Not once have I said Brembo, Alcon, AP Racing, Willwood, Baer Claw, are poor quality - so I'll thank you for not putting words in my mouth.
If you don't understand something, then say as much. Don't try to start an argument where it's not warranted.
Spend more time reading, and re-reading if it doesn't sink in first time round, and less time jumping to inaccurate and false conclusions.

[kyotousa]

Not once have I said Brembo, Alcon, AP Racing, Willwood, Baer Claw, are poor quality - so I'll thank you for not putting words in my mouth.


PJS "a brand name is not the be all nor end all of what constitutes a well designed and made product"

I said " PJS feel brand name doesn't equal quality"
it's you that think I meant poor quality...get it??
you really should try to understand other's remark before posting, if you don't understand ASK..haha

Now you are trying to save face by saying I didn't use "TOP" quality huh lol....

whatever...keep explaining it..
you just like to argue for no reason
this is funny...haha

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So there's one non-brand rotor that's the best out of all rotors
you mind show me where you got that info? and where to buy it?

[Jays98cobra]

until that ebay seller advertises brembo's and they look like them, even have the same box, then you get them....and.....they're not lol

so ur saying u seen this happen first hand...cause everytime i buy a product off ebay from a seller and he advertises what hes selling, be name brand or not, u get whats being sold...maybe ur one of those rare people that doesnt and gets beat from time to time...but im an avid ebayer and i can tell u this...if i buy a name brand from ebay, i get the name brand, box condom wrapping and all!
Jay

[clee109]

^^^not to me personally, I don't do ebay. Friends I know have had problems. People on this forum are soooooo sensitive about their parts, brand names, and where they get them. Tell someone a different opinion and the cry like babies. Look at this thread between PJS and Stuntman over brakes, just slam back and forth with each other when they could have just left it at one opinion vs. another which would have consumed two posts. Instead you have all set a stellar example to the OP about how lame forums can be. They came to find out about brake options, instead they had to read 3 pages of trash talking. They probably wont be back, and I doubt they read anything past the first posts on page 1.

Accept peoples opinions instead of slinging shit demanding pages of references, what mods they have on their car etc... Accept that maybe people have had experiences of brands or places they bought from with cars OTHER than their TSX. Maybe PJS has good luck with powerslots etc on his TSX and Stuntman has had good luck with Brembo BBK. Maybe I know people that have had bad luck on ebay getting parts for their cars and maybe you have good luck.

Forums are opinions and as the OP you assume all risk involved with buying these products. Opinions on here shouldn't require brag signatures and pages of references.... Or maybe I'm just an idiot and don't belong here =P

[PJS]

@ kyotousa - I give up! You win!! Couldn't be arsed to bother trying to make you understand. Enough is enough.

@clee109 - Stuntman and I did not slam back and forth - we were merely looking at the situation from two differing standpoints. One track biased, the other road biased.
Both equally valid depending on where the OP's son will use his car most of the time when he's back on leave.
It was some others who interjected with their non-contributory remarks/opinions that has taken this thread way off its original remit.
To Buick, I can only apologise and hope you can take something of value from it, once you've disseminated it.

That me done - no more replies being made unless a direct question from the OP.

[kyotousa]

great...another I won't reply cuz I am maturer than you comment lol

If that's true... I won't be able to see 1/3 of comments in this thread is coming from the same guy...and basically saying the same thing over and over again.

anyway...fun read...

[BuickGS]

Sorry for not responding to all of the posts sooner............

I went with the Brembo brake setup and cross drilled rotors along with new braided brake lines. Everything went together with no problems and the setup looks real nice and the car stops great.

Frankly, I thought the stock break setup worked great and have read it is one of the better brake setups out there. But, I lived through my hot rod days so I guess our son is doing his car thing. For the money he spent to buy his TSX, I could have picked up a great 65 Buick Skylark GranSport.

Anyway, he will be returning home March 8. Between the suspension work, the brake work and a few other odds and ends I think he will be happy with the car. I drive it once a week for about 50 miles and I will admit, it is a fun car to drive...you can really toss the thing around.

I appreciate all of the suggestions and thank everyone for their posts.

Best regards,

Gordon