2009 TSX - Official Photos RELEASED on pg.11

[TSX69]

2009 Acura Info from the Dealer Grapevine (http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=732167)
Date: January 12, 2008 23:53
Submitted by: Jeff
Source: Multiple
Credibility Rating: Not Specified


Over the past few days, more and more '09 Acura info has been trickling out of the pipe. First off, we have heard an on-sale date of April 24 for the '09 TSX. Secondly, the '09 RL should be appearing in showrooms in a similar timeframe. Now, what are the '09 RL and '09 TSX all about? Maybe this communique from Acura will help:

This MOVE allocation will include March production with March arrival of the 2008 TL, 2008 RDX and 2008 MDX and March production with April arrival of 2009 TSX and 2009 RL models.
2009 TSX
Designed and engineered to reaffirm its place as a desirable and affordable entry point for the Acura sedan range, the all-new redesigned second-generation 2009 TSX will be offered in two different packages

Standard Package:
· The standard model will be similar to RDX’s and 08MY TSX’s standard features with new luxury amenities and audio capabilities that all contribute to the new TSX’s added appeal.

Technology Package:
The technology package is similar to the RDX’s technology packaging and will continue to “Advance” the image of Acura. The Technology Package includes:
· Acura Navigation System with Voice Recognition with new functionality
· AcuraLink Satellite Communication System
· Acura/ELS Surround Premium 10 Speaker Sound System


2009 RL
The substantial redesign of the 2009 Acura RL combines added performance, improved technology, more aggressive exterior styling and even greater safety to a top-tier luxury performance sedan.

Three packages will continue to be offered:

Standard Package:

· Improvements include better functionality for the HVAC, HandsFreeLink and audio system

Technology Package:

· The Technology model will be similar to the 08MY RL with new luxury amenities. The Technology Package will continue to “Advance” the image of Acura by adding more functionality to the Acura Navigation System.

CMBS Package:

· CMBS will be available as a stand-alone option.


While this information is interesting, several posts in our forums indicate that the '09 RL will be packing 300+hp (from a 3.7L V6) and have an SH-AWD system tuned to deliver more torque to the rear wheels. Word is that the RL's MMC is the most significant mid-cycle refreshes in Honda's (and Acura's) history, with supposedly only 2 body panels remaining common with the current version. Interior volume (particularly rear legroom) is said to have been increased, and several items in the "bling" column are said to have been addressed (one person suggested that the RL would be getting 19" wheels, but we've only seen that from ONE person). One poster suggests that the "more functionality" of the RL's navi system means real-time weather updates.

On the TSX side, word has it that a 4-cylinder, FWD version will be offered first, with a V6-powered SH-AWD model appearing at a later time. Supposedly a diesel will be available in calendar year 2009.

Thanks to those of you who have e-mailed me with these details over the past few days. I just returned from a trip abroad yesterday and have been trying to catch up on things while preparing for the North American International Auto Show. Be sure to check in here at the TOV for updates from Detroit tomorrow and Monday.

[AcidLotus]

Sweet! I can't wait for the up-model TSX. I'll be getting one for sure.

Also interested in the '09 Pilot for the wifeypoo.

[dina]

Sweet! sounds good. cant wait for more info

[TSX69]

Acura will debut its new clean diesel engine in 2009 & it will be introduced in an Acura @ a later date. Many are speculating that it will be the TSX since the Euro Accord is sure to get 1 as the Europeans like diesels ...

Based upon rumors, it is possible that TSX will come w/ 3 engine choices: 4 cylinder, 4 cylinder turbo/v6 (there are rumors for both so have to wait & see which is true) & diesel.



Acura Will Introduce Clean Diesel i-DTEC Engine in 2009 (http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=732394)
Date: January 13, 2008 18:35
Submitted by: Jeff
Source: Acura Press Release
Credibility Rating: Not Specified


Turbocharged i-DTEC Engine Displayed at the North American International Auto Show


01/13/2008 - DETROIT -

Acura will introduce the new i-DTEC clean diesel engine to the North American market in 2009. The i-DTEC engine reduces noxious exhaust emissions while boosting power and fuel efficiency. A combination of optimized combustion chamber design and reduced injection time results in a clean, quiet engine that delivers excellent performance for an enjoyable driving experience. In addition, the i-DTEC engine meets the ultra-stringent U.S. EPA Tier II Bin 5 emission standards without the on-board storage of urea.

The i-DTEC clean diesel engine is on display exclusively in the Acura booth at the North American International Auto Show and will be utilized in an Acura vehicle to be named at a later date.

[xjohnkdoex]

i wish my 07 had a turbo :(

[TSX69]

Honda CEO Says Clean Diesel Cars will be Profitable (http://www.stuff.co.nz/4355908a6026.html)
Reuters | Monday, 14 January 2008

The head of Honda said that the Japanese automaker's yet-to-be released clean diesel cars will be profitable immediately, unlike expensive gasoline-electric hybrid cars that still yield little or no profit after a decade on the market.

"Our diesel cars are going to have an appropriate level of profit from the start," chief executive Takeo Fukui told a small group of reporters in an interview at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit.

He said Honda's clean diesel cars, to be launched in the United States next year, will not require a urea tank as most European systems do.

The use of aluminum in the cylinder block instead of steel would also allow it to manufacture the engines using its existing gasoline engine facilities, keeping initial investments down, Fukui added.

Honda's new diesel drive train generates and stores ammonia within a two-layer catalytic converter to turn nitrogen oxide into harmless nitrogen.

The new system will clear the same emissions regulations as gasoline in the United States, Fukui said.

Japan's second-biggest automaker is set to announce later this afternoon the launch of its first ultra-clean diesel car in the United States in 2009, as planned.

Honda's premium Acura brand will be the first to get the four-cylinder diesel engine, Fukui said. Models fueled by V6 diesel engines will follow after 2010, he added.

Diesel cars now make up more than half of Europe's new cars but have a poor image among consumers in the United States, as well as Japan, as being both loud and dirty.

But Fukui said he expected Honda's sale of four-cylinder diesel cars to reach about 150,000 vehicles globally by around 2010 with the planned roll-out in the United States and Japan.

Honda now sells more than 100,000 diesel cars a year, all in Europe.

Honda is also due to begin selling low-cost hybrid cars in 2009. Half of the planned 200,000 units of the hybrid-only family car are bound for North America.

A new hybrid sports car is set to follow, while the mass-volume Civic series will also get the cheap and improved hybrid system with the next remodeling.

Fukui said he expected the new hybrid system would be as profitable as conventional gasoline cars, depending on the cars' selling price.

The chief executive has indicated that he wants to limit the price premium for consumers buying hybrid cars to around 200,000 yen ($NZ2367) to achieve the company's target of powering 10 per cent of its global vehicle sales with hybrid cars by around 2010.

Honda produces its hybrid cars in Japan. While Fukui said he wants to build at least 80 per cent of its cars sold in the United States in North America, he said he was not now thinking of local production of hybrids in the region.

"We may be thinking about local production (in North America) around 2011 or 2012 when our global hybrid sales reach 400,000 to 500,000 cars a year, but we don't think it's all that important," Fukui said without elaborating.

[otesrepsaj]

http://satoauto.com/images/TSX_2009_colors.jpg

[AcidLotus]

http://satoauto.com/images/TSX_2009_colors.jpg

Nice Find!! :D I think the vortex blue will look great.

[VegaTSX]

http://satoauto.com/images/TSX_2009_colors.jpg

Nice, Acura needs to have unique colors compare to current Honda's, Some Acura now uses the same paint color as some Hondas, Lexus and Infiniti's uses different paint colors than their counterpart Toyota's and Nissan's.

[mclovintsx]

i wish my 07 had a turbo :(
that's exactly what i was thinking.

[Revenent]

"Polished Metal Metallic"?

I love how they create those colour names...

[Revenent]

Hmmm - 4-cylinder, 4-cylinder turbo, V6, diesel.

Sigh. All I want is something a bit more fuel-efficient.

Gimme my hybrid already! :)

[TSX69]

I agree w/ the above poster about colors: to further separate themselves, Acura should have their own colors - even if they are similar but have different names. I was surprised the 1st time I saw that my NightHawk Black Pearl was also available on Hondas. This is almost as bad as our glass having Honda etched on them. I know its cost cutting but if they are serious about being a major luxury brand independent from Honda, these are kinda necessary.

As for a hybrid: that is highly doubtful unless Honda comes up w/ a better IMA system. They say that their system works best in small cars which is why they have 2 compact dedicated hybrids coming in the next few years. The TSX is kinda small so it could work ... but it seems pretty clear that Acura is going the way of diesel instead, which is financially better for them & consumers.

On a side note: Toyota, the biggest cheerleader for hybrids, has backed away from them saying that they will not make every model a hybrid as they had claimed & instead will offer a variety of things including diesels in their larger vehicles (Sequoia & Tundra).

[Sock]

http://satoauto.com/images/TSX_2009_colors.jpg

No RED?!?! Blasphemous.

[AcidLotus]

No RED?!?! Blasphemous.

What part of Basque Red Pearl did you not read?

[hyun]

wtf a v6? :[ wheres my i4 turbo !!

[kuma912]

wtf a v6? :[ wheres my i4 turbo !!
you didn't install it yet......

[Revenent]

What part of Basque Red Pearl did you not read?
I think he's missing the Milano Red Pearl.

That red looks like a freakin' CR-V red.

[Sock]

What part of Basque Red Pearl did you not read?

Sorry, that's NOT a red. That's burgundy.

[kuma912]

Sorry, that's NOT a red. That's burgundy.
its still a shade of red....

[gerardo]

allot of 08 TSX commercials keep popping up. anyone notice that?

[kuma912]

allot of 08 TSX commercials keep popping up. anyone notice that?
yup.............

[mclovintsx]

i haven't been watching tv for a while in exception for lakers games. =]

[TSX69]

Acura TSX to Get Diesel Option in 2009; Acura Brand to Move Upscale (http://www.leftlanenews.com/acura-tsx-to-get-diesel-option-in-2009-acura-brand-to-move-up-scale.html)
At this year's North American International Auto Show, Honda CEO Takeo Fukui announced that the Japanese automaker would launch its first U.S. clean diesel in an Acura model next year. However, Fukui failed to mention which model would receive diesel-power. But Honda officials announced today that the next-generation TSX will have a diesel option, slated to hit our shores in 2009.

The TSX seemed like a likely candidate for diesel power as it is basically the Euro-spec Honda Accord — a vehicle that will hit European showrooms this summer with a diesel option. Honda's new 2.2L i-DETC four-cylinder will power both vehicles.

Honda will also launch a V6 clean diesel in 2010, which will likely see duty in the Acura TL and MDX. The Honda Pilot could also use a version of the engine.

"All along, we've said there would be a diesel in Acura," Dick Colliver, executive vice president of American Honda Motor told Automotive News.

Acura heads upmarket

The diesel announcement is part of a broader effort to move Acura upmarket.

Colliver said the aim is to "separate Acura and Honda more." He estimated in six years, Acura will be a "tier 1" luxury automaker like BMW or Mercedes.

An Acura designer claimed last year the company plans to rival Bentley and Maybach.

Despite a down year for Acura in 2007 — sales slipped 10.5 percent to just 180,104 units — Collier is optimistic about the future of the brand. "We get the TSX in the spring and the new TL in the fall," he said. He made it clear Acura expected 2007 to be tough, since much of the model line was aging.

To compete with BMW, Acura needs to redesign models, add more crossovers, and launch an "image car," Collier said.The NSX will presumably be the brand's image car, but its launch has been delayed and it remains unclear when the supercar will make its official debut.

Collier also addressed the weak sales of Acura's range-topping RL sedan, saying that it was the "wrong car" for the segment. A new RL is slated to bow in 2010, and Collier revealed that the car's overall direction will change.

[kyotousa]

So is TSX coming on 09 spring or 08 fall?

[TSX69]

The 2009 TSX is due in the Spring of 2008; the diesel options looks to follow in 2009.

[AcidLotus]

hmm. wondering if I should get the diesel or the type-s with AWD. Guess we'll just have to wait and see what they look like and what the performance figures are.

[TSX69]

Based upon readings & then speculating, I think that it is safe to say:


Type S will have more hp (from turbo or v6)
Diesel will have more torque (altho low on the hp -- based upon the Euro version, could be under 200hp)
Diesel will get improved mpg while the Type S will get worse than the base
Type S is the only 1 rumored to have the SH-AWD

In my mind, the difference is (assuming diesels run like they claim & are easy to get fixed ...) if performance is what you are after, get the Type S, if mpg is your goal, get the diesel. They both seem like they would be more fun than the base 4 cylinder version. Alas, exciting times in Acura-land.

[kyotousa]

So basically it's come out right now....where's the spy shot?

[AcidLotus]

So basically it's come out right now....where's the spy shot?

You'll have to wait. Acura is supposed to release official shots right before the NY auto show in February.

[Colin]

http://satoauto.com/images/TSX_2009_colors.jpg

Nice find indeed! I'll try o keep the latest facts up on my TSX page. if you want a look back 5 years when we were waiting for the first generation TSX to arrive check out this short clip from 2003:

TSX Preview 2003 (http://satoauto.com/cblog/index.php?/archives/155-Waiting-for-the-2009-Acura-TSX.html)

I'm thinking of getting a 2009 since the 6-MT has been confirmed. Hopefully I'll have it a little earlier because they drop our (we're in Hawaii) cars off on the way to the mainland from Japan.

[TSX69]

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Honda/concepts/Accord_Tourer/53710_b_hon_small.jpg
Redisgned TL & TSX in 2009 (http://www.motorauthority.com/news/sedans/redesigned-acura-tsx-arriving-next-year-and-with-diesel-power/)

Acura may be having troubling with the design of its NSX flagship but the launch of its next-generation TSX (Accord Euro) is still on track for a mid-2009 introduction. The model will adopt styling similar to that previewed by the Honda Tourer concept unveiled at last year’s Frankfurt Motor Show and it will also be Acura’s first diesel model. The new 2.2L four-cylinder i-DETC clean diesel expected to power the new TSX is already sold in the European version of the current model.

Speaking with Automotive News at the recent Detroit Auto Show, Honda boss Takeo Fukui confirmed the introduction of a diesel powered Acura and said other models in Honda/Acura’s U.S. lineup would get diesel power as well. Other engines expected to feature in the TSX lineup include two petrol engines of 2.0L and 2.4L capacities, and possibly a turbocharged version.

“All along, we’ve said there would be a diesel in Acura,” said Dick Colliver, executive vice president of American Honda Motor Co. “The whole direction is to separate Acura and Honda more. In five to six years, Acura will be a tier 1 luxury brand. The face of Acura will be totally different,” he boasted.

Next year will also see the launch of a brand new TL sedan, Colliver revealed, and this could be followed in 2010 by a new V6 diesel.

[Colin]

I'm sure that the next TSX will share styling cues from the Accord Tourer concept and possibly the Sports 4 concept. However, I don't think that its a 'slam dunk' that it will share the sheetmetal exactly.

Honda is set to debut the Acura brand in Europe and Japan one day (already delayed....) but I think it will happen during the next TSXs lifespan. If this proves true, they can't call it an Accord for 2009, then say 'oh, now we're calling it the TSX" in 2010, or 11 or whenever they roll out Acura.

[otesrepsaj]

welcome colin!

based on your postings at the other forum, i'd say you're probably the foremost expert on the 09 TSX there is (not working for honda r&d)

[Colin]

Yeah, well let's see if we can't get a little more traffic on this site...

[kuma912]

representing the 808 i see..... if they have an 09 with sh-awd... i'm gonna be sick to my stomach.....

[dina]

great info

[Colin]

representing the 808 i see..... if they have an 09 with sh-awd... i'm gonna be sick to my stomach.....

Hey don't puke in my direction. The current info does not exclude the 2009 car from being AWD and since the engines haven't' been announced, it's hard to say with certainty.

However, since Acura has successfully pumped the TL Type-s output through the front wheels, I feel it would take a lot to 'force' them to move the TSX to AWD. For example, when the bring the i-DTEC engine to market, the torque might necessitate the switch to AWD. I'm thinking that it the new car is a NA 4 or even a small V-6, AWD is not a necessity.

I have a question for you? Do you want a stick? So far there is no MT application for the AWD drivetrain. If they were to make us choose between AWD and MT (a real possibility) what would you select?

[kuma912]

Hey don't puke in my direction. The current info does not exclude the 2009 car from being AWD and since the engines haven't' been announced, it's hard to say with certainty.

However, since Acura has successfully pumped the TL Type-s output through the front wheels, I feel it would take a lot to 'force' them to move the TSX to AWD. For example, when the bring the i-DTEC engine to market, the torque might necessitate the switch to AWD. I'm thinking that it the new car is a NA 4 or even a small V-6, AWD is not a necessity.

I have a question for you? Do you want a stick? So far there is no MT application for the AWD drivetrain. If they were to make us choose between AWD and MT (a real possibility) what would you select?
i'd pick awd over mt......

[Colin]

;) I'd pick MT over AWD..... (no snow in 808, and never had an auto in 31 years of driving....)

[Revenent]

Wait, did they just say a 2.0L engine?

Doesn't that mean their base would be a downgrade of the current engine size?

Short of some crazy hp/torque gains, that would make the TSX less powerful than it currently is, right?

[TSX69]

Yes, if they keep the engine the same as it is now in Europe, the HP would be lower but the torque & mpg would go up. HP is what is always advertised but I think that the torque will win people over in the test drives.

Rumor has it that it will be a turbo diesel so that would alleviate the lower HP. Hopefully that means good HP, loads of torque & great mpg. That is a recipe for a good seller ... I hope.

[Colin]

Wait, did they just say a 2.0L engine?

Doesn't that mean their base would be a downgrade of the current engine size?

Short of some crazy hp/torque gains, that would make the TSX less powerful than it currently is, right?

I think you're reading that wrong. The article is poorly written and confusing because on one hand they're talking about the European Accord and on the other hand they're loosely calling it the domestic TSX. In Europe, the (current) Accord uses a 2.0 engine from the Acura RSX. The current TSX and Accord share a chassis but use different engines.

[Colin]

Rumor has it that it will be a turbo diesel so that would alleviate the lower HP. Hopefully that means good HP, loads of torque & great mpg. That is a recipe for a good seller ... I hope.




The i-DTEC engine is confirmed for the TSX. It should come out in 2009 on the 2010 TSX.

[kuma912]

;) I'd pick MT over AWD..... (no snow in 808, and never had an auto in 31 years of driving....)
yes but its easier to turn an at to mt.....

[kuma912]

Wait, did they just say a 2.0L engine?

Doesn't that mean their base would be a downgrade of the current engine size?

Short of some crazy hp/torque gains, that would make the TSX less powerful than it currently is, right?
it depends on which 2.0 engine......

[Kanon23]

The i-DTEC engine is confirmed for the TSX. It should come out in 2009 on the 2010 TSX.

Hey arent you the guy who posts about the 09 stuff on the other site? Welcome! I glanced through the thread and felt a little disappointed of how they trash your good info :(

[Revenent]

I think you're reading that wrong. The article is poorly written and confusing because on one hand they're talking about the European Accord and on the other hand they're loosely calling it the domestic TSX. In Europe, the (current) Accord uses a 2.0 engine from the Acura RSX. The current TSX and Accord share a chassis but use different engines.
Yeah, I hope so - I don't think it doesn't it makes a lot of sense for them to market the 2.0L gas engine.

A 2.0L diesel, I can't say much, since I've never seen it in action.

Here's to hoping the new TSX comes soon so we can all see the goods.

[VegaTSX]

Hey arent you the guy who posts about the 09 stuff on the other site? Welcome! I glanced through the thread and felt a little disappointed of how they trash your good info :(

Yeah Colin is a Salesman for Acura in one of the dealers in Hawaii.
He's the one who made intro on all those Acura cars on video.
I think this is his blog site. http://satoauto.com/cblog/

[TSX69]

AutoMakers Pump Up Models w/ Diesel Power (http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2008-01-20-diesel_N.htm?csp=34)
DETROIT — Diesel fuel costs an average 38 cents a gallon more than gasoline, isn't available at every filling station, and in the past, has been associated with engines that clatter and smoke.

But none of those negatives dissuaded automakers from rolling out a raft of new diesel car, truck and SUV models at the North American International Auto Show here last week.

It's not just German makers anymore. Among models unveiled last week were offerings of Japanese and South Korean brands that have eschewed diesel cars in the past.

They hope Americans will warm to a new wave of diesels as quiet, clean and smoke-free as their gasoline-fed siblings. Diesels also usually offer more torque, which helps in trailer pulling.

Mercedes (DAI) spokesman Robert Moran says today's diesels also have overcome past issues with cold-weather starting. Mercedes models, he says, need no more than an extra second to start on the coldest mornings and heat up faster than gas engines once running.

The biggest attraction: Diesels offer 20% to 40% more miles per gallon than comparable gasoline engines and are available off the shelf now.

"It's here-and-now technology," says Allen Schaeffer, executive director of the Diesel Technology Forum. "There's no looming questions about batteries" as with gas-electric hybrids.

The looming question is whether consumers will embrace diesels. They are hugely popular in Europe, where diesel fuel costs less. But that's not so in the USA. On Friday, diesel fuel averaged $3.41 a gallon nationally, 12% more than regular gas at $3.03, according to the daily survey in AAA's Fuel Gauge Report.

"Diesel isn't cheap and isn't going to get cheaper," says Brett Smith of the Center for Automotive Research.

Diesel vehicles also are likely to cost more to buy, though a smaller premium than hybrids.

Despite question marks, automakers unveiling new diesels included:

•BMW. Planned for sale next fall are two diesel vehicles with decidedly hard-to-remember names — the compact 335d sedan and the X5 3.0sd sport-utility vehicle.

The German automaker says the pair's 3-liter, 265-horsepower diesel will meet emissions rules in all states because of a new catalytic converter system and injection of the chemical urea into the exhaust. The injection system is called BluePerformance.

BMW is counting on diesel's torque during acceleration to make it popular.

•Mercedes-Benz. Mercedes, one of the biggest promoters of diesel through the years, is showing off two concept versions of its diesel-powered Vision GLK small SUV.

The two concepts, the Freeside and the Townside, are powered by a new-generation, four-cylinder, 2.2-liter diesel that neutralizes up to 80% of nitrogen-oxide emissions with a urea-injection system.

•Audi. To debunk the image that diesels are stodgy performers, Audi is showing off a 12-cylinder diesel concept version of its R8 sports car. The 500-horsepower engine powers the car from zero to 60 mph in 4.2 seconds and tops out at 186 mph. But don't expect to find one in showrooms anytime soon, if ever.

•Chrysler. A two-seat Jeep Renegade concept vehicle was designed as a plug-in hybrid with a twist: The rugged off-road vehicle is also a diesel.

Its small Bluetec diesel engine takes over when its lithium-ion batteries run out of juice. Renegade has a 40-mile range in electric-only mode. A 115-horsepower, 1.5-liter diesel takes it the rest of its journey.

•Toyota. The Japanese giant announced last week that clean-diesel V-8s will be available "in the near future" for its full-size Tundra pickups and Sequoia SUVs. But Toyota (TM) officials are not without reservations.

A surge in popularity of diesels could drive pump prices higher, warns Jim Lentz, president of Toyota's U.S. sales operation.

In introducing diesels, "we're hedging our bet, because diesel is the best current solution for a full-size pickup" when it comes to fuel economy and towing power, Lentz said in an interview.

•Honda. A clean-diesel engine will become available in one of Honda's (HMC) upscale Acura vehicles next year. Unlike the larger German diesels, it won't require urea injection to cut emissions, which should result in less maintenance, CEO Takeo Fukui announced last week.

•Kia. The South Korean automaker plans to put a diesel engine in the new seven-passenger Borrego SUV by 2010. The gasoline version goes on sale this summer with Kia's first V-8 engine.

So many new diesels were unveiled at the Detroit auto show's press preview that Consumer Reports auto testing director David Champion said he felt like calling it "the diesel show."

The price of the diesels is "a bit of a question mark," but he says he has no doubt about sales: "People are going to get them."

[Colin]

At TOV they are suggesting that we'll see the Turbo 4 in the next TSX, this was my post there:


It was suggested to me several months ago that there would be 3 engines for the TSX: I4, Diesel, and V6. In this conversation, I questioned if it would be the turbo 4 from the RDX and the answer suggested no.

The reasoning suggested was we need the I4 as an entry level and to keep current TSX owners in the fold. The Diesel for reasons already stated, and the V6 to provide a V6 sedan at a reasonable price point for all our current TL owners cause the TL will grow in price and size.

When I suggested that there must have been a lot of money spent to develop the Turbo for only the RDX he replied that there were many within Honda that were disappointed with the K23. I have no idea if this was smokescreen but I have no doubts that the comment about 3 engine choices was true. SO... unless the base I4 IS the turbo, I still have my doubts.

If they do drop the Turbo I4 in the TSX, what kind of power would it have? If it was tuned for 240-260 hp, what kind of power would the (suggested) V6 have? Would they really bring out 2 sedans with HP in the same power range?

[AcidLotus]

I don't care whether it's the turbo 4 or the V6, I'll take either one with SH-AWD please. While the turbo is cool and can potentially provide greater upgrade paths in the future than a V6, the K23 is getting crappy gas mileage, which is something I'm sure they're not happy about. Then again, the 3.5 V6 in our Pilot is pretty bad at 17ish most of the time, unless we're straight highway driving, in which case we've seen just above 30 mpg. They should dump in a high-revving torquey 3.0 V6 with great gas mileage.

[Colin]

I'm not 100% sure that a turbo guarantees poor fuel economy. I'm sure that vehicle weight and gear ratios also play a part. Certainly any turbo engine tuned to the 260 hp range will use more gas than a turbo tuned for 220 or even 240. Horsepower takes fuel, no 'magic bullet' there. Don't STi owners report mid-teens if they drive hard?

[kuma912]

I'm not 100% sure that a turbo guarantees poor fuel economy. I'm sure that vehicle weight and gear ratios also play a part. Certainly any turbo engine tuned to the 260 hp range will use more gas than a turbo tuned for 220 or even 240. Horsepower takes fuel, no 'magic bullet' there. Don't STi owners report mid-teens if they drive hard?
to answer your last question... yes.....

[Colin]

So the process of deduction leads us to this: (assuming the info on three engines proves correct)

1) Diesel confirmed for the 2010 TSX

2) V-6 suggested and needed if the new TL gets over 35K in base form. (very likely)

3) We need the third engine to complete the line and this will probably be the engine it starts with in two months. What is the most likely choice? IMO a NA I4.

[TSX69]

I am no expert on the mechanical side of things but if the TSX is lighter than the RDX, I assume the mpg will go up. Also, since they do not really have to worry about towing capacity, they could detune it some to save gas. Top it off w/ their VCM & I would imagine something respectable on top of the gains the diesel provides.

I still wish they would put a hybrid in the TSX - they claim the IMA system works best in smaller cars & the TSX is the smallest they got. It would just be nice to have another check mark in the things that Acura has to offer ...

[Colin]

Well the current TSX weighs in around 3200-3300 lbs. The RDX is close to 4000. Based on this, the turbo 4 tuned mildly (under or around 240) should yield acceptable fuel economy. No VCM on a 4 cylinder (4 is barely smooth enough and 2 cyl would be a disaster).

I think the next TSX will gain some weight when it moves to the ACE body, hopefully they can minimize this. I am 99% sure there won't be a hybrid in the Acura line anytime soon. The diesels will handle the fuel economy issues.

[dinoc]

Thanks God the headlights looks good :)

Found some teaser images and a video with European Accord Tourier :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ8o-xU0OZc


http://www2.automarket.ro/img/db/article/009/005/803093l.jpg?ts=1201084621
http://www2.automarket.ro/img/db/article/009/005/116041l.jpg?ts=1201084641
http://www2.automarket.ro/img/db/article/009/005/732659l.jpg?ts=1201084642
http://www2.automarket.ro/img/db/article/009/005/980443l.jpg?ts=1201084642
http://www2.automarket.ro/img/db/article/009/005/512991l.jpg?ts=1201084643[/QUOTE]

The source of this is here: http://www2.automarket.ro/img/db/ar...g?ts=1201084643

They mention that:
- this will be presented at Geneva auto saloon
- that the model is inspired by Acura RL and developed by Honda's luxury division
- they mention about Euro-5 compliant gas and diesel engines
- and they mention about the model will use the SH-AWD , also
- the model will officially be presented on 11 Ferbruary

[TSX69]

I hope that they keep the speedometer like it is now: the 0 @ the 6 o'clock position instead of the 7/8.
http://www.canadiandriver.com/testdrives/images/04tsx_gauges-1.jpg

Those door handles look like a sharp weapon. Me like.

[TSX69]

http://www.dmi.com.ua/images//img_871

[VegaTSX]

http://www.dmi.com.ua/images//img_871

:werd: i'm not feeling those tail lights either. Although it's now LED instead of bulbs like our current TSX which is good.

[TSX69]

:werd: i'm not feeling those tail lights either. Although it's now LED instead of bulbs like our current TSX which is good.
I think it could be an optical illusion kinda like the current Civic sedan. It does kinda look like LEDS but I if you closely in the middle, behind the grid design, there seems like theres a bulb there & then the other lights around are just reflections.

I always thought Honda did a good job w/ these faux LEDs
http://automobiles.honda.com/images/2008/civic-hybrid/exterior-gallery/gal_lg7.jpg

[xjohnkdoex]

:werd: i'm not feeling those tail lights either. Although it's now LED instead of bulbs like our current TSX which is good.

agreed, i don't like those taillights, but i'd rather save judgement until i can see the whole car with everything together.

those lights remind me of another car, but i can't figure which right now.

[VegaTSX]

agreed, i don't like those taillights, but i'd rather save judgement until i can see the whole car with everything together.

those lights remind me of another car, but i can't figure which right now.

True, those are Accord Wagon, not the TSX Sedan so the taillight could be different.

[otesrepsaj]

True, those are Accord Wagon, not the TSX Sedan so the taillight could be different.

+1...the current accord euro wagon's tail lights are ugly too, so the new accord sedan's tail lights might look good if they are closer to the sport4 concept

[NeoChaser]

http://www.dmi.com.ua/images//img_871


that's prob the wagon




notice the UP/DOWN? clutchless sequantial would be awesome!

[xjohnkdoex]

looking at those test mule pics again and comparing the front headlights with the tourer pics, they look prett consistent.

i agree, the tail lights will probably be pretty different from the sedan vs. the wagon. but after looking at that pic of the civic si and the spy pic, i wonder if the new TSX tail lights will kinda have that civic sedan tail lights shape as well.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/w_acuratsx_cd_oct07_priddy6.jpg

[kuma912]

just please don't have sh-awd..... i'll kill god if it has awd....

[AcidLotus]

just please don't have sh-awd..... i'll kill god if it has awd....

no no no. I want SH-AWD! It's the only reason I'm even considering the 2009 TSX vs. something else.

[xjohnkdoex]

wouldn't sh-awd make more sense if it's turbocharged vs. fwd?

[griffojm]

wouldn't sh-awd make more sense if it's turbocharged vs. fwd?

I would think so. I test drove a MazdaSpeed 3 when they first came out. It had TONS of power, but massive torque steer too. I also test drove a Suburu Sti which also has a lot of power, but AWD which keeps it nice!

[Colin]

wouldn't sh-awd make more sense if it's turbocharged vs. fwd?

IMO it only makes sense if the base engine is the turbo.

[TSX69]

Once upon a time they had stated that they wanted all their vehicles to have it. Hopefully it will be an option, tho, not a standard feature. Lexus sells tons of of ES & RX which are FWD. The SH-AWD drive will help them move up market image wise.

[Colin]

Once upon a time they had stated that they wanted all their vehicles to have it. Hopefully it will be an option, tho, not a standard feature. Lexus sells tons of of ES & RX which are FWD. The SH-AWD drive will help them move up market image wise.

I'm sure we'll see some form of SH-AWD in the TSX, but I think it will come either with the Diesel (too much torque for RDW) or with the V-6 in year or two.

[TSX69]

TOV Updates (http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=736779)
Date: January 30, 2008 13:48
Submitted by: Jeff
Source: Anonymous
Credibility Rating: Not Specified


While we're awaiting official details to be released regarding the upcoming refresh for the 2009 RL at next week's Chicago Auto Show, a few updates have come in regarding the 2009 TSX, TL, and RL.

First off, the '09 TSX's onsale date has once again been "confirmed" as 4/24/08. Word from this source is that it will only be offered in front-wheel-drive, at least initially. If this is true, this would also tend to dampen the (renewed) rumors of the turbocharged K23 making it, at least initially. In addition to the XM weather feature that's already been mentioned (the 2009 RL will be the world's first production model with the XM weather function), the RL will reportedly finally get cooled front seats (strangely, these were always offered in Canada). Supposedly the RL will continue with a 3.5L motor, but it will now deliver 306hp. Considering that the '09 TL will supposedly be getting a 3.5L (FF) and 3.7L (SH-AWD), it seems odd that the RL would stick with the 3.5, so this might be an error. The styling revisions to the RL are said to have given the car an edgier look.

The same source indicated that the 2009 TL will be offered in both front-drive and all-wheel-drive configurations, with the front-drive models running a 3.5L V6 and the SH-AWD model getting a 3.7L version. We had heard a while back that the SH-AWD version would deliver a little over 300hp, so we're guessing that's the same motor that the 306hp RL will be getting, and they'll both be 3.7L.

[xjohnkdoex]

that means everyone will have to wait longer for the supposed turbo or v6 version? wow.

also, am i the only one that hopes the styling of the new TSX is relatively unchanged so i can still feel good about my 07? the engine stuff...what can you do. but as long as it doesn't look THAT much cooler than my car...

[TSX69]

http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/737937/09tsx_ty01.jpg
http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/737937/09tsx_ty02.jpg


TOV (http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=737937) (link to original article in the event that the pix do not work here)

These pics were sent to us Friday by TOV reader 'Tyson'. Unfortunately, they spent the weekend in my "SPAM" folder, and they only surfaced today. We have a very high degree of confidence that you're looking at the 2009 TSX. Here's the original e-mail from Tyson:


so ive been seeing this barely camo'd silver sedan trolling around my work.... which happens to be next to Honda HQ.

i finally got a chance to take a pic with my cellphone. i got a cheap cellphone, so quality sucks, i dont care.

TSX?
ive also been seeing new Fit's running around today. looks like they changed the grill from the JDM ones. similar to civics. and they covered/painted the B pillars silver, kinda odd.


Special thanks to Tyson for sharing these, and be sure to let us know when you spot anything else of interest.

[otesrepsaj]

looks similiar to the current tsx from side profile

[kyotousa]

If that was it.....then I am pretty happy with my current one...lol

It'll be better for current tsx's resell value :santa:

[DVS]

I hope it a 2.3 turbocharger, definitely trade my 06 model for it in a heartbeat

[Age]

I don't like the new look. Looks too much like a Toyota Camry to me.

[lokman]

It looks like a very conservative update to what is already a very conservative car. It looks like it's grown a bit, which may or may not be a good thing (I think the current TSX is already pretty right-sized). For some reason the side profile reminds me of a VW Jetta and Ford Fusion.

[xjohnkdoex]

looks like the front is a little fuller compared to the current gen. kinda like the new accords.

the back slopes a little more, and the rear reminds me of the 3 series backside if you're looking from the side view.

overall, if this is the new TSX, the cosmetic changes are pretty subtle, and not much of a deviation from what it is now. in fact, i'm pretty happy with the way it looks now.

some people say it looks bigger overall. i don't know if that's a good thing. i like the fact that it's a smaller car. bigger just means more weight. but i guess they'll compensate for that with more HP from the sounds of it.

and stop comparing it to the ford fusion. if the new styling is similar to the current TSX, and you say it looks like the fusion, that means all of our cars look like fusions. which isn't true.

[TSX69]

No one really knows for sure but rumor has it that the TSX is going to be bigger so that the TL & RL can also go up market. In other words:

TSX vs ES
TL vs GS
RL vs LS

I would much rather they made keep it pretty much the way it is now:

TSX vs IS
TL vs ES
RL vs GS
*new model* vs LS

[AcidLotus]

I like it.

[Colin]

No one really knows for sure but rumor has it that the TSX is going to be bigger so that the TL & RL can also go up market. In other words:

TSX vs ES
TL vs GS
RL vs LS

I would much rather they made keep it pretty much the way it is now:

TSX vs IS
TL vs ES
RL vs GS
*new model* vs LS



Hopefully we'll see:

TSX between IS250 and IS350
TL between IS350 and GS
RL vs GS

If the base TSX can out perform the 250 (in some ways it already does) with more interior space we have a winner. If the top model can match the 350s performance envelope with a lower price point (and have more interior space) we'll have a winner.

The TL must out perform the IS350 and provide more space at a competitive price. If it can match the GS on specs but come in at a lower price point, it will be just fine.

RL? I have no clue and don't really care that much. Unlss Acura can find a way to make the RL worth my time to sell, I can't really get too excited about it.

[otesrepsaj]

from a japanese site (got it off the other site)

http://www.hobidas.com/common/eimg/110/080/000/000080011.jpg
http://www.hobidas.com/common/eimg/310/080/000/000080013.jpg

[xjohnkdoex]

i'll say the same thing i said on the other forum--backside looks like the RDX-turned-sedan. the lights are more dynamic and aggressive. i like that. the entire back still has the styling cues of the current gen.

the side profile looks pretty unchanged from what it is now. although that side skirt looks kinda ugly.

the rims are horrendous. and i don't know what's up with that black and white side mirror on the white version. it's like a black and white cookie.

[Kanon23]

i'll say the same thing i said on the other forum--backside looks like the RDX-turned-sedan. the lights are more dynamic and aggressive. i like that. the entire back still has the styling cues of the current gen.

the side profile looks pretty unchanged from what it is now. although that side skirt looks kinda ugly.

the rims are horrendous. and i don't know what's up with that black and white side mirror on the white version. it's like a black and white cookie.

after seeing the new 09 pics I love my current princess more and more :)

as for the rims, I think they look smiliar to the rims they are using in the current JDM Accord. I wonder what will be the big changes
:festive:

[kuma912]

I'm crossing my fingers. If it comes with shawd and turbok23. I might trade mines in.

[xjohnkdoex]

what if the HP gains are totally offset by the increased weight of the car?

[kuma912]

what if the HP gains are totally offset by the increased weight of the car?
There are ways around that though.

[Acura604]

dear God.. I HOPE that the new TSX does not feature this new gadawful grill from Acura:

2009 ACura RL:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/02/0001acura_chi.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/02/0004acura_chi.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/02/2009-acura-rl-1280-25.jpg

[xjohnkdoex]

sadly, it will. they already mentioned that the front-end styling will have a similar look to the RL.

[Acura604]

i'm sure the RIMS package will be different here in North America.. the pics in that
trailer are of the jdm accord which is er.. considered an econo box over there lol?
with not as many amenities as our tsx here.

[AcidLotus]

That RL grill is a bit too "transForMERS" for me

[DVS]

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=737937 this makes me want to keep my car at lease for the body

New TSX looks like the old accord shape to me

[Drunkenbuda]

Sorry to say this but the new TSX looks ugly@!

[TSX69]

http://www.hobidas.com/common/eimg/110/080/000/000080011.jpg

[mahylo]

from a japanese site (got it off the other site)

http://www.hobidas.com/common/eimg/110/080/000/000080011.jpg
http://www.hobidas.com/common/eimg/310/080/000/000080013.jpg


I'm willing to bet that this thing sells like hotcakes...

[Mark]

Im torn between getting an 08' or an 09' when it comes out...on one hand the 08' is the last of that TSX with that styling, it has it all from that generation, on the other hand if I get an 09' it will be faster and new features, but they'll be tweaking it here and there over the next few years, and at the end of it all i'll want the facelifted 2011 AWD version instead of my 2009 haha...

Joys of buying a car, you always want the next best thing :mecry:

[tieu]

^ same debate going here... but then again

08 are going real cheap, cant get enough of it... last year the best of the best, 09 will be first years tons of recalls / fixes going on... cant wait for 2010 where they fix half the problems... 08 has me sold !

[lokman]

Acura, what did you do to the RL? :mecry:

[kuma912]

I swear to god. I wont hesitate trading my car in if the 09 has a turbo 4cyl and shawd.

[narci]

2009 accord wagon

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[TSX69]

I really like the spaceage aggressiveness look Acura has been employing lately - especially w/ the headlights of the MDX/RDX. Those would go really well w/ the lights on that JDM Accord & the new RL. Those door handles are pretty fierce too.

Speaking of the RL (pics posted in the auto forum) I guess I am in the minority when I say it looks OK - especially considering that it just a MMC.

[MxD0CxB]

Tell me you guys have seen the new 2009 RL...PLEASE tell me you don't think it's the ugliest thing you've ever seen, it looks like a cheap version of the Toyota Camry with bigger lights and a gosh-aweful front grill...

i reeeeeeally hope they don't ruin the design of the tsx, because from the spy shots we've all seen......bleh


okay my rant is over

[otesrepsaj]

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=739420

[kuma912]

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=739420
Please don't tell me they are using the same grill design as the rl. Please don't.

[otesrepsaj]

it would look decent if they left it body-colored like that.

there's always the mugen grille when they come out with one

[kuma912]

it would look decent if they left it body-colored like that.

there's always the mugen grille when they come out with one
or just swap it with the honda grill. The one up above looks nice.

[Kanon23]

My friend was asking me if she should get a 08 or 09...I told her straight up to go for the 08 :)

[ians]

Please don't tell me they are using the same grill design as the rl. Please don't.

Agreed! hate the MDXish grill. The Honda grill looks way way better. Well... neway, I hate the acura grill since the first day of owning the TSX. I think Acura brand just cheap out the whole Honda prestige image.

[TSX69]

I must be in the minority bc I really do not have a problem w/ the new Acura grill -- called Power Pleum. Granted, I do no think that it looks great either but it's not horrid.

Altho the general shape of the TSX seems to be the same, I really like the new aggressive styling of the head lights, tail lights & door handles. Please let there be LEDs this time.

I had assumed that my next car would be an RL but I may have to rethink things when the camo is finally off of the 2009 TSX. Oh & the 2009 TL.

[psydid]

Argh!

The one piece of information I haven't seen yet is whether the wagon version will make it here. I have wanted a good wagon for years, but I've never seen one that really grabbed my interest. A TSX wagon would be perfect. A TSX wagon with turbo/SH-AWD would be BEYOND perfect.

If it doesn't make it here, ah well, I'll just drive my '05 TSX until it falls apart. Or move to Europe.

[mclovintsx]

I must be in the minority bc I really do not have a problem w/ the new Acura grill -- called Power Pleum. Granted, I do no think that it looks great either but it's not horrid.

Altho the general shape of the TSX seems to be the same, I really like the new aggressive styling of the head lights, tail lights & door handles. Please let there be LEDs this time.

I had assumed that my next car would be an RL but I may have to rethink things when the camo is finally off of the 2009 TSX. Oh & the 2009 TL.


don't worry man I'm part of the minority too. bbbbb5

[inkedup]

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e57/inkedup80/newTSX.jpg

[2K5TSX]

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=124730#2

[ying]

front looks fugly...i wonder if we will be able to swap in the new engine

[mclovintsx]

its looks alright to me. the front looks kind of bulky and i'm one of the few who actually think the grill looks ok.

[CCColtsicehockey]

stupid grill looks like its from a saturn. makes acura look cheap.

[inkedup]

not feelin it...

2009 accord wagon

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e57/inkedup80/newTSX.jpg

[kuma912]

I don't like the grill and no shawd. I'm glad I don't have to trade in.

[AcidLotus]

It does look a bit like a Saturn, but I still like it. My only problem with that stupid grille is that it has more surface area to look like shit after gravel hits it from our sandy roads after a snow storm. And the magnesium chloride wrecks havoc on that cheap chome colored plastic too.

[churrrddd]

ugly

[spoonfed]

I think I'll stick with my 06. Not feelin' it yet.
It might grow on me or it might not. Too early to decide. I need to see it in person.
Either way, 04 - 08 looks a lot better IMO.

[TSX 3Pedal]

not feelin it...

2009 accord wagon

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e57/inkedup80/newTSX.jpg
Hmm...I wonder if that grill will swap onto this:
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2008/0208/acura.tsx.500.jpg

First mod :troutslap

[kuma912]

looks like a direct swap

[aznt]

sigh... Acura what have you become lol

[kuma912]

Where is the shawd. Damn it acura. Use the shawd.

[Colin]

The official picture of the new TSX

http://satoauto.com/images/TSX_2009_01.jpg

[chaRz]

no 2009 tsx owners allowed in this forum! find your own! ew!

[turoneatingpnoy]

Yay . . . now I don't feel bad I have an 06 ^_^! . . . But God that grill is atrocious and the shape of the grill opening kinda reminds me of the new Accords which I also don't fancy as much . . . but you could probably Mugen grill it down the road . . . eh . . . so it didn't end up getting turbo or shawd after all . . . now what I wonder is what the Euro-R version will look like if one is even made . . .

[whitetsx2007]

First generations FTW! The 09 looks too much like a camry! :@

[BlueTSX05]

wow, that is fugly! but it might grow on me later, but I'll hold full judgement until I can see it in person

[nj2pa2nc]

wow, that is fugly! but it might grow on me later, but I'll hold full judgement until I can see it in person
:sprint:

[Pacemaker_Guy]

When I'll to NYC in march, perhaps I'll feel different about it. But for now, I <3 my CL9

[Pacemaker_Guy]

Go here if you want to see the possible interior.

http://vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=740462

[BSoares]

The grille on the Honda Accord looks WAY better than what Acura chose. Sounds like most people will do the JDM conversion on the 2009 TSX.

[tradsf]

I'll need to see it in person also before rendering final judgement.

Thought it was supposed to get sh-awd?

I remember when the first-generation came out. I was sold as first glance. This one, hmmm... Anyone know if the RDX turbo engine will be under the hood?

[justinangil]

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/11/ny-08-preview-2009-acura-tsx-heads-for-the-big-apple/

Here's the news from autoblog with acura press release.

[halber]

new euro accord pic´s
http://www.km77.com/00/honda/accord/g01.asp

[TSX69]

Altho I do not like the brick design ... perhaps it will be less obvious on the actual production vehicle.

[TSX69]

http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/740462/09acc_eu-01.jpg
http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/740462/09acc_eu-02.jpg

[ians]

Damn, I hate the stupid grill. I still think 04-05 looks the best.... because I have a 04 :loser:

[DVS]

it's like a smaller version of an US accord, something about the fender but I don't like it. I have to see it in person, this just make me want to keep my 06 TSX a little bit longer.

[kuri]

The Euro grille looks so much better. I wonder if there's a way to swap the grille yet retain the 'A' though.

[narci]

I see touch screen navi is gone.

I'm surprised you still need a car key. No Push button start.

Hate the climate control..liks like an Audi.

Buttons on the stering wheel is nice..but 15 buttons? I'd likely get into an accident looking at that many buttons.

Not sure what to say about the look. It looks like a camry.

[narci]

First mod on a 2009 USDM TSX? Euro Grille Swap. hahaha

[MemphisRheins]

Lol, im actually glad I swapped to Honda Badges on my TSX now, it wont be associated with the new TSX when it comes out lol

[Colin]

I see touch screen navi is gone.

I'm surprised you still need a car key. No Push button start.

Buttons on the steering wheel is nice..but 15 buttons? I'd likely get into an accident looking at that many buttons.



None of this should be a surprise? Touch screen has been doomed since they introduced the interface dial on the RL back in 2005. They've been moving to this system with each new release.

Push button/Keyless? They've introduced the MDX at 40K-50K and it doesn't have this feature. The TSX is much less so I never expected it.

Since the Accord interior shown is a navi, you forgot the two voice switches on the back on the bluetooth switches. This should make it 17 buttons on the wheel...

edit, if its an automatic, add 2 more for the shift paddles! On a side note, the euro accord info mentions Electronic Power Steering, (ala S2000, NSX) and variable rate dampers. No idea of these are the Magnetic shocks from the MDX, but somehow I doubt it.

[CCColtsicehockey]

sell it like this and i might be able to deal with it.
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/5269/picture1pk7dk7.png

wanted to replace the CL with an AWD tsx but unless it looks atleast like that its not even an option. with go to audi first or a used evo or sti.

[Kanon23]

I will still go take a look or even a test drive with the new model, but my gut feelings already told me I made the right call with the 04 model :)

[Colin]

I will still go take a look or even a test drive with the new model, but my gut feelings already told me I made the right call with the 04 model :)

Indeed, I need to pull the trigger on a new car in March-April. I've got a '08 tucked away in a manual but I'm waiting for the '09s before I decide. If the TSX follows the dimensions of the Accord, the new car is 3 inches longer, 3 (wow) wider! Coming from an S2000, I'm not sure if we want a car that big...

[CGPTSX06]

sell it like this and i might be able to deal with it.
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/5269/picture1pk7dk7.png

wanted to replace the CL with an AWD tsx but unless it looks atleast like that its not even an option. with go to audi first or a used evo or sti.

Can you chop this with aftermarket wheels and mugen grille on the car?

[tradsf]

Based upon readings & then speculating, I think that it is safe to say:


Type S will have more hp (from turbo or v6)
Diesel will have more torque (altho low on the hp -- based upon the Euro version, could be under 200hp)
Diesel will get improved mpg while the Type S will get worse than the base
Type S is the only 1 rumored to have the SH-AWD

In my mind, the difference is (assuming diesels run like they claim & are easy to get fixed ...) if performance is what you are after, get the Type S, if mpg is your goal, get the diesel. They both seem like they would be more fun than the base 4 cylinder version. Alas, exciting times in Acura-land.



"Look for Acura to offer a Type-S model of the TSX. Power is said to come from the turbocharged engine found in the Acura RDX — tuned to 260 horsepower — and will be connect to a six-speed manual or a DSG gearbox. But unlikely the base TSX, the Type-S is expected to use Honda's Super Handling All Wheel Drive."

http://www.leftlanenews.com/acura-tsx-future.html

[CCColtsicehockey]

Can you chop this with aftermarket wheels and mugen grille on the car?
possibly. trying to figure out what wheels to put on it. the race look is out for this car strictly luxury style. maybe put the 06 mugen grill on it but personally I may just chop the MDX grill on it cause that looks so much better and actually pretty good in my opinion.

[Colin]

"Look for Acura to offer a Type-S model of the TSX. Power is said to come from the turbocharged engine found in the Acura RDX — tuned to 260 horsepower — and will be connect to a six-speed manual or a DSG gearbox. But unlikely the base TSX, the Type-S is expected to use Honda's Super Handling All Wheel Drive."

http://www.leftlanenews.com/acura-tsx-future.html

Just so you know, they are just guessing on this. They even are 'vague' on the production dates. "By the end of 2008" ..... hrumph, our first batch of 18 cars will probably begin production next month.

[nyc06tsx]

looks to me like a TOYOTA CAMRY but with acura logos dont like it at all ddddddddd2

[kuma912]

Three things that will make this car sell like hotcakes. K, Turbo, and SH-AWD.

[tradsf]

If they offer the Type S version on the TL and CSX (in Canada, basically an Acura-badged 4-door Civic), why not the TSX?

[electroR]

a little Photoshop from me :D

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9472/mugenaccordct6.jpg

hope u like it ...

[tradsf]

K?

[Colin]

If they offer the Type S version on the TL and CSX (in Canada, basically an Acura-badged 4-door Civic), why not the TSX?

Don't get me wrong, I think its a distinct possibility for the TSX. I'm only dealing with the facts as we know them, there may be a Type-S version down the road, but there won't be one in two months when the first of the '09s arrive.

[ying]

the Type S is suppose to come out later i believe, thats the one that will have the 2.3 turbo and sh-awd..so they say

[kuma912]

K?
K series engine

[kuma912]

the Type S is suppose to come out later i believe, thats the one that will have the 2.3 turbo and sh-awd..so they say
Alright. I'll take two.

[otesrepsaj]

nice photoshop neverdielone

one thing that i do like about the new design is the widebody. i think a modified one will look pretty mean, and i'm sure some of the tuner companies will come out with some nice bodykits/external parts

[VorteC]

Looks good, I like it. Hopefully the rear looks good too, unlike the euro accord.

Here is my chop!

ABP-ish Blue
Dropped
Mugen NR's
35% Tint
Color-matched Lower Grille
JDM Headlights

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/4545/vortecchopcq0.jpg

Original is BELOW!

[VorteC]

Thread sticked and Merged.

[tradsf]

Lexus sells tons of of ES & RX which are FWD.

Maybe in the States, but not in Canada. The RX is available only with AWD here.

[kuri]

They better not delay the Type-S until the end of the product cycle like what they do with the TL's.

[VorteC]

With a Mugen grille :D

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3531/vortecchop2fb4.jpg

[irhymecl9]

great chops, the new model doesn't appeal to me.

[Pacemaker_Guy]

That color looks sooooooo sexy on it. Even if i came with the fugly grille...

[kyotousa]

not much of a change....awesome

[chuson]

The front and the oversize fender was alot nicer than I thought (with the all the CHOP above~~!!!!)

However, I think the 09 TSX is really getting bigger, the front/rear overhang is massive....

[VorteC]

That color looks sooooooo sexy on it. Even if i came with the fugly grille...
I don't know if it will arrive with that colour or not.. it's a colour i selected on photoshop lol.

anyways, here is one more with a front lip and dual fogs :D

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7555/vortecchop2cy4.jpg

[gerardo]

someone might want to throw a picture of the 09 on the home page soon ;)

[VorteC]

someone might want to throw a picture of the 09 on the home page soon ;)
we're working on it ;)

[CCColtsicehockey]

2009 accord release photos

http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2008/2/11/9080211.014/9080211.014.Mini1L.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2008/2/11/9080211.014/9080211.014.Mini2L.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2008/2/11/9080211.014/9080211.014.Mini3L.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2008/2/11/9080211.014/9080211.014.Mini4L.jpg

[inkedup]

The front end of the wagon actually looks pretty good with the front lip, I admit it is starting to grow on me a little after seeing the chops. Interior is nice, the rear end not so much.

[bc811]

i'm not regret for getting my 08 back in November!

[hfkuan]

This is similar to when the RSX replaced the Integra. A lot of people didn't appreciate the rounder shape of the RSX, but it has since grown on many people and the integra has faded into history/buried under the success of the RSX. The same will probably happen with the new 2009 TSX once the mod bug bites the new owners.

When the RSX was first released, im sure there were many who said "I'm glad I bought the integra..."

[shay654]

Interior looks pretty nice! :nod:

[daicacharco]

More pictures of the 2009 TSX.

http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/showthread.php?p=342497#post342497

[HONDATSX]

With a Mugen grille :D

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3531/vortecchop2fb4.jpg


nice work ...looks a 100 times better.

[logrus]

I'm still not quite digging the new design :(....

I had high hopes to see something similar to pic below especially after Acura MDX came out... :

http://www.tommychang.net/uploaded_images/2008_Honda_Accord-784253.jpg
http://www.tommychang.net/uploaded_images/02-757679.jpg

IMO that ^^^ would've been the BEST design! :)

Mugen chops do make it look better though...

[kuma912]

A friend from vegas told me that the 09 tsx will have shawd. I hope he's not kidding.

[JDM4life]

a little Photoshop from me :D

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9472/mugenaccordct6.jpg

hope u like it ...


now that is sick. . when i see this i like it. . . the interior is sick as well. . .

[AcidLotus]

I'm still not quite digging the new design :(....

I had high hopes to see something similar to pic below especially after Acura MDX came out... :

http://www.tommychang.net/uploaded_images/2008_Honda_Accord-784253.jpg
http://www.tommychang.net/uploaded_images/02-757679.jpg

IMO that ^^^ would've been the BEST design! :)

Mugen chops do make it look better though...

That's probably more what the TL will look like, only bigger, because the front fascia's match on the current TL and these pics pretty similarly.

[Acura604]

was at the dealership negotiating a tradeup to the RDX from the TSX.. she mentioned something about the 09 TSX and the possibility that one trim will include CLOTH interior to reduce the overall price tag.. UGH!!!! hope she's wrong!!

[Hashiriya]

I don't much care for the S550-derivative pseudoflares.

We were on the fence about this car until we saw these pictures. We wanted to wait until pics were released and now we're glad that the CL9's are still available. NO regrets about not getting a 2009.

I mean, it could be a lot worse, but it's far from the gorgeous shape that the CL9 is.

[gerardo]

Here it is ladies and gentlemen
coming out next month.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff224/notsober2/2009_acura_tsx_0_430.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff224/notsober2/2009_acura_tsx_1_430.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff224/notsober2/2009_acura_tsx_2_430.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff224/notsober2/2009_acura_tsx_3_430.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff224/notsober2/2009_acura_tsx_4_430.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff224/notsober2/2009_acura_tsx_5_430.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff224/notsober2/2009_acura_tsx_6_430.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff224/notsober2/2009_acura_tsx_7_430.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff224/notsober2/2009_acura_tsx_8_430.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff224/notsober2/2009_acura_tsx_9_430.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff224/notsober2/2009_acura_tsx_10_430.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff224/notsober2/2009_acura_tsx_11_430.jpg

http://www.cars.com/go/features/autoshows/vehicle.jsp?vehicletype=production&autoshowyear=2008&vehicle=production_acura_tsx&make=Acura&model=TSX

[MxD0CxB]

vortec's chop looked pretty bad ass i must say. but those actual pictures of the '09 make me wanna slap the designers at acura....this is the wrong direction for them to go. in an industry of economic weak powered manufacturers and luxury muscularly powered manufacturers, acura fails to either very well, and has instead turned an agile luxurious sports sedan into a mediocre, heavey and underpowered wanna-be.

[Really Kool]

does anyone else think the new tsx looks ugly or is it just me?
the front looks like a pontiac...

[renntecher]

Yeah I am not diggin' this new design too much - it kinda smells....of family car-ness...
=s

I hate the new grill....too much chrome - only black benz riding on 20's should have chrome like that hahah

more tsx pics if u guys wanna see it

http://www.leftlanenews.com/cars/image_enlarge.php?iid=cr4311&car=

[DJMURDOK818]

The new Euro-R is growing on me bigtime, seeing the new A-spec in person made me like it even more. =D

[BLEXV6]

What part of Basque Red Pearl did you not read?

BTW, you can get the Accord in this same colour.

[modeman]

I am so glad I made my purchase last November as opposed to waiting! When I saw the pics of the 09 I didn't want to even believe that it was true. I saw one on the road today heading out to the Poconos and swear that from the front it looked like a Saturn to me! Looks like I'm gonna have to baby my ride even more to make sure it last's me a long time until Acura decides to do some major renovations to the current TSX before I become a repeat customer.

[acuraphile]

Looks like I'm in the minority here, but I love the new TSX design! Very sleek, modern, slightly aggressive, but not overstated.

I'll admit, the grill took me a while to get used to, but I like it now. I like the uniformity across the line (once the new TL is out).

I hope to be purchasing my 09 TSX in a couple months.