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hip
07-10-2004, 02:25 PM
Can't say I agree with all these...

ABS and airbags? Love ‘em. Here’s what we don’t love.
by Eric Peters (2004-07-05)

In general new cars are fantastic - vastly more reliable and better-built than the cars of the past. But some have features you wish would stop working, or that had never been installed in the first place.

Here's a quick sampling:

GM's always-on parking lights. When I was in high school, the sure brand of a loser wanna-be was the guy driving around the lot in his clapped-out '77 Camaro with Gabriel Hi-Jacker air shocks out back and the parking lights turned on in the middle of the day. So cool, man. General Motors installs the same basic deal on several new cars, including the '04 Corvette, which has pop-up style headlights and so can't really deploy the also-annoying (and unnecessary) Daytime Running Lamps (DRLs) that keep the headlights burning whenever the car is running. But the Cadillac CTS, Camaro/Firebird, and some other GM models are equally afflicted - bestowing upon their owners all the cachet of a notice-me-please teenager cruising the shopping mall parking lots in his glass-packed 15-year-old Civic, hoping it'll impress the girls.

Toyota's back-up alarm. When a big trash truck or something like that starts backing-up, it's not a bad idea to let people who might otherwise get smushed know what's coming. But is it really necessary for a compact sports car (Celica) or econo-compact (Echo) to ding-ding-ding! every time you put the thing in reverse? Why not just have a flailing robot pop out of the trunk? Danger! Danger! Will Robinson!

Radar-Guided Park Assist: Okay, if you drive a monster SUV, maybe it makes sense to have radar sensors built into the front and rear bumpers to help you park that big lug without hitting anything. But a family sedan or mid-size coupe? What started out as a toy on high-end luxury vehicles (Mercedes, BMW, Lexus) is filtering down to lower-priced models. But if you can't park a normal-size car without electronic assistance, should you really be driving at all?

"Intelligent" Cruise Control: See above; another example of dangerous, but well-intended automotive idiot-proofing. Infiniti and BMW pioneered this technology, which uses laser beams (or radar) to establish the distance between your car and the traffic ahead. If the cars up ahead slow down (or speed up) the system reduces (or increases) vehicle speed to compensate, maintaining a safe following distance and space. The driver just sits there. Is it convenient? Sure. Is it intelligent? Only if you don't believe that it's worthwhile to encourage drivers to be responsible for driving.

Over-active traction control: It's a Catch-22 that many of today's highest-powered sport sedans and coupes (Mercedes and BMW are the worst offenders) come fitted with an intrusive computer that can't be fully turned off - and which in many cases absolutely refuses to permit even a little tire squealage. There is nothing more defeating to a car's feel than seeing that "Trac" light flash angrily every time you start to drive the thing hard, cutting engine power to make sure you get absolutely no enjoyment from all that power locked away up front. Driving a 110-hp econocar that leaves you alone to do what you want is more fun.

"Belt Minder": This one's Ford's bad idea, but sadly others are aping the idea in the name of safety. Basically, if you decline to buckle up the car starts to beep angrily and a light blinks on and off until you do. Wearing a seat belt is a fine idea. But it's not the automaker's business to play the role of Mommy. Will future cars sound the alarm if weight sensors in the seat detect we've fattened up to the point of increasing our risk of stroke or diabetes?

One-touch power windows: A great idea run amok. It's one thing to be able to hold down a button and have the window roll down or up - a huge improvement over old-style hand-crank windows. But then some bright bulb came up with the "one-touch" idea - and now it's often an exercise in distilled self-torture to try and open the window just a crack or try to keep it partly down. The all-knowing controller wants it either all the way up or all the way down.

Auto-locking doors: Another over-the-top result of our increasingly safety-obsessed society. Put the car in gear and thwunk! All the locks slide closed, securing you inside. Sure, the auto-locks can be shut off, deprogrammed or whatever. But like cell phones, they're really just another "convenience" that adds needlessly to the stress and complexity of life.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7288

hip
07-10-2004, 02:33 PM
Obviously, I disagree with a number of these especially the one about "Radar-Guided Park Assist." There are some vehicles, TSX included that are styled in such a way that it makes seeing behind you difficult.

To this day, I still open my door and look behind me to see more clearly how close I am to walls or cars when backing up.

I also don't see any issue with "Auto-locking doors" in fact, I sort of miss it. Anyone who thinks this is a foolish device might think differently if they become a carjack victim?

TSX 'R' US
07-10-2004, 03:15 PM
DRLs -- increases visibility during the day (I like the DRLs that are the yellow lights, increases visibility)

Back Up Alarm -- agree...kinda dumb

Radar Guided park assist -- sometimes you can't see short posts...and we see from the IIHS how much damage it can be to repair a bumper... And if it helps prevent people from running into my car in the PKing lot...why not?

I-Cruise Control -- I can swing both ways in this...how well will it work on foggy days? I can allready hear someone suing a car company that they thought it meant "auto-pilot"

Over-active traction control -- better not be put into sportier cars...

"Belt Minder" -- Why not? Annoy the hell out of them for not putting their seatbelt on...in face, I think the car should shock the person for not putting their seatbelt on in 2 second intervals...

One-touch power windows -- what's wrong with this feature?? Perfect for IL cause we have tolls... Pay the toll and just hit the switch so you can put both hands back on the wheel when merging back together...

Auto-locking doors -- I lock my doors all the time, so why not have the car do it for me?

I think the guy writing this article has issues...but that's just me.. :D

hip
07-10-2004, 03:20 PM
I think the guy writing this article has issues...but that's just me.. :D


No... that's just him :soapbox:

tony4311
07-10-2004, 03:37 PM
One-touch power windows: A great idea run amok. It's one thing to be able to hold down a button and have the window roll down or up - a huge improvement over old-style hand-crank windows. But then some bright bulb came up with the "one-touch" idea - and now it's often an exercise in distilled self-torture to try and open the window just a crack or try to keep it partly down. The all-knowing controller wants it either all the way up or all the way down.


either he doesnt own a car with this feature or hes too dumb to figure you don't have to push the button all the way down to work it.

bob shiftright
07-10-2004, 05:25 PM
either he doesnt own a car with this feature or hes too dumb to figure you don't have to push the button all the way down to work it.

Either the author has 3 arms, or he doesn't drive a stick shift!

One of the low points in the world of shifting-for-yourself always was shooting out of a toll plaza in the middle of a sleet storm with the left window half open!

http://www.sadgeezer.com/hhg/zaphod.jpg

johnej
07-10-2004, 11:21 PM
or in a thunderstorm with the wind blowing in...

jackspat2
07-11-2004, 04:45 PM
I can understand the seatbelt one. but everything else... ehh?

Sometimes it's better to have park assist when your car, if hit or nudged, could cost thousands of dollars in repairs for a scratch on the bumper. (may be over exaggerating).

I know how to disconnect the seatbelt thing in any car. Just disconnect the wire to where your seatbelt goes in (the latch). Or maybe some cars nowadays have those weight sensors in the seats.

afici0nad0
10-19-2006, 02:56 PM
Feature: Automobile features - what's good, and what ain't
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jm/goodvsbad.htm

oh noes...

But this stuff's not so good:

Manual-mode automatic transmissions - You want to shift, get a clutch. I'm guessing most people just play with it for the novelty factor in the first week or two, and then simply put it in Drive and leave it there. And these transmissions very seldom show up on economy cars with small engines, where they could actually be useful for selecting gears when a burst of power is needed, such as merging onto the highway.

narci
10-19-2006, 03:16 PM
This guy who wrote this is an idiot.

kyotousa
10-19-2006, 04:30 PM
people who take time to write this long useless article probably has no life haha

radar assist is a must if you live in some crowded country....obviously US is not one of them...

devore
10-19-2006, 05:18 PM
The article's a tad dated, so some of these features work better now or can be turned off. I wouldn't mind a setting in our TSXes to turn on auto-locking doors or DRLs, but I wouldn't want to be forced to use them, either.

He's definitely dead wrong about auto-windows. ALL windows should work this way on all cars (wish all 4 on the TSX were this way.)

Zeeshan
10-20-2006, 05:43 AM
DRL's are terrible imo. but a lot of the other stuff i like! One touch is windows is great! i also wish we had one touch moonroof. Its so annoying having to hold the button down.

jcg878
10-20-2006, 09:53 AM
What a terrible article. That writer is awful.

I'll put in my vote in favor of DRLs. I also usually drive with my lights on, partially because my car is black.

narci
10-20-2006, 09:55 AM
I love DRL. It's especially good for people who always forget to turn on thier headlights.

MemphisRheins
10-20-2006, 10:35 AM
DRL's and the Seat Belt reminders are good ideas... the rest of the stuff Im gonna agree on him with

ians
10-20-2006, 12:20 PM
I think the one touch window is a must and should be on all 4 windows + sunroof!!!!

DC2
10-20-2006, 02:59 PM
Toyota drivers definitely need the back up alarm in their car. Not to warn other drivers they are backing up, but to warn the stupid driver inside the toyota that their shifter is in reverse. My wife got hit by a Toyota driver because she kept the car on reverse and ignored my wife's honking. Proceed to hit my wife going reverse, then put the car back in drive and tried to run away. Luckily, there is no way those Toyota car/driver combo can outrun any Honda. my wife stopped her and called the cops.

bimmer_w
10-20-2006, 03:38 PM
DRLs -- increases visibility during the day (I like the DRLs that are the yellow lights, increases visibility)

Back Up Alarm -- agree...kinda dumb

Radar Guided park assist -- sometimes you can't see short posts...and we see from the IIHS how much damage it can be to repair a bumper... And if it helps prevent people from running into my car in the PKing lot...why not?

I-Cruise Control -- I can swing both ways in this...how well will it work on foggy days? I can allready hear someone suing a car company that they thought it meant "auto-pilot"

Over-active traction control -- better not be put into sportier cars...

"Belt Minder" -- Why not? Annoy the hell out of them for not putting their seatbelt on...in face, I think the car should shock the person for not putting their seatbelt on in 2 second intervals...

One-touch power windows -- what's wrong with this feature?? Perfect for IL cause we have tolls... Pay the toll and just hit the switch so you can put both hands back on the wheel when merging back together...

Auto-locking doors -- I lock my doors all the time, so why not have the car do it for me?
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