PresidencyMatch-2004

[HondaMan]

http://www.ontheissues.org/quizeng/XPresMatch2004/start.asp

My top 5 results:
55% George W. Bush

48% Dick Cheney

33% Joe Lieberman

28% Howard Dean

23% John Edwards


BTW, Kerry was 13% and Nader was 10%.

Do the quiz and post your top 5 results as well. This should be fun. Enjoy! :D

[larchmont]

Did it -- Thanks much, HondaMan!

Extremely interesting, probably the most interesting such exercise I've ever come across.

Before the results.....my first reaction was that some of the questions are a bit confusing, because of the format -- especially with the things that basically involve "double negatives." I bet that a lot of people put down the "wrong" answer, meaning the opposite of what they intend.

Larchmont, who can't help thinking of the Butterfly Ballot.

Second reaction: As I was going along, I was getting afraid that I wouldn't like the results. Not that they wouldn't be accurate -- I think it's an excellent little test to see who you REALLY are or aren't in line with, and to what extent. But as I went through it and answered everything honestly, I was thinking that I'd come out a lot more "centrist" than I wanted to, and that I'd be shown as being closer to guys that I didn't want to be closer to.

No such worries. Although the extent of my agreement wasn't that high with ANYBODY, the order of things is just about exactly what I would have "hoped."


Here we go:


KERRY Total 55% *Personal 65% *Economic 45% *

GEPHARDT Total 55% *Personal 60% *Economic 50% *

NADER Total 48% *Personal 55% *Economic 40% *

MOSELEY-BRAUN Total 48% *Personal 55% *Economic 40% *

GRAHAM Total 48% *Personal 55% *Economic 40% *

LIEBERMAN Total 45% Personal 50% *Economic 40% *

DEAN Total 45% *Personal 55% *Economic 35% *

SHARPTON Total 43% *Personal 50% *Economic 35% *

KUCINICH Total 43% *Personal 45% *Economic 40% *

EDWARDS Total 43% *Personal 45% *Economic 40% *

CLARK Total 38% *Personal 45% *Economic 30% *

BUSH Total 20% *Personal 10% *Economic 30% *

CHENEY Total 18% *Personal 15% *Economic 20% *



My only "gripes" are that I would have liked to see Edwards higher.
And, although it doesn't matter that much to me at this point, I would have thought Clark would be higher.

I was shocked that Kerry was my highest match.

[HondaMan]

Glad you liked it! :D

Not surprised with your results and I agree the questions can be confusing, so read them carefully folks.

Butterfly Ballot? LOL That was funny.

[larchmont]

BTW, HondaMan, although our results look sort of like polar opposites, it's interesting that neither of us is THAT close to any of them!!!

I guess we're BOTH more centrist that we might like!

Or should we say "independent"?


Actually I'm making an assumption that it's unusual not to have any score higher than 55%. But maybe that's par for the course. This would be interesting to know.

P.S. It really depends on how they do the "scoring." Did you happen to see how it is?
If they only score a "hit" if you have EXACT agreement on the question, it would be hard to have very high agreement with anybody. But if they have a "sliding scale" according to how close together you are on the question (sort of "partial credit"), I think higher scores would be the usual thing.

[Ferg]

My results:


DEAN......Total 45%....Personal 60%....Economic 30%
KERRY.....Total 30%...Personal 40%.....Economic 20%
BUSH......Total 30%...Personal 40%.....Economic 20%



Sorta confirms my thoughts that I believe both Bush and Kerry to be dingleberries. :D

[larchmont]

My results:


DEAN......Total 45%....Personal 60%....Economic 30%
KERRY.....Total 30%...Personal 40%.....Economic 20%
BUSH......Total 30%...Personal 40%.....Economic 20%



Sorta confirms my thoughts that I believe both Bush and Kerry to be dingleberries. :D
Wow -- do you mean Dean was your highest match??

If so.....I imagine you're shocked too.

Also: It would mean you're even more "independent" than HM and me, because your highest number was even lower.

[pocketkiller]

HAHAHAHAH DEAN was also highest ranking for me! - John Kerry came in 10th (not 6th as seen here). I agree with Larch when you said if your highest ranking is somewhat low, it signifies independant.


Total 40%
Personal 35%
Economic 45%
Howard Dean

Total 40%
Personal 40%
Economic 40%
George W. Bush

Total 35%
Personal 35%
Economic 35%
Bob Graham

Total 35%
Personal 35%
Economic 35%
Joe Lieberman

Total 35%
Personal 45%
Economic 25%
Dick Cheney

Total 25%
Personal 25%
Economic 25%
John Kerry

[bob shiftright]

100% Michael Badnarik and 100% Adam Smith ... then the computer blew up....

:D

:wizard:

[larchmont]

HAHAHAHAH DEAN was also highest ranking for me! - John Kerry came in 10th (not 6th as seen here). I agree with Larch when you said if your highest ranking is somewhat low, it signifies independant.....
The main thing I notice in PK's scores is that for most of the guys, his "agreement percentages" are EXACTLY THE SAME on "personal" and "economic." No idea what that means (I think we could guess but not too well), but it was absolutely NOT the case for me and HondaMan.

Actually I see Dean and Bush were tied as your #1 match, which is a pretty weird combo.

BTW I was wrong when I said that Kerry was my flat-out #1. I noticed later that Kerry and Gephardt were tied on my "depth chart."

[larchmont]

100% Michael Badnarik and 100% Adam Smith ... then the computer blew up....

:D

:wizard:
Aw, c'mon Bob! Won't you please take the stupid test?

Larchmont, who would love to see how Bob Shiftright matches up.

I think he's afraid he would wind up with Kerry. :D

[bob shiftright]

Aw, c'mon Bob! Won't you please take the stupid test?

Larchmont, who would love to see how Bob Shiftright matches up.

I think he's afraid he would wind up with Kerry. :DOK, OK, OK! :D

PresidencyMatch 2004

Your Ranking

George W. Bush
Total 48%
Personal 35%
Economic 60%

Howard Dean
Total 35%
Personal 35%
Economic 35%

Dick Cheney
Total 33%
Personal 25%
Economic 40%

John Kerry
Total 30%
Personal 30%
Economic 30%

Bob Graham
Total 28%
Personal 25%
Economic 30%

Al Sharpton
Total 25%
Personal 30%
Economic 20%

John Edwards
Total 25%
Personal 15%
Economic 35%

Ralph Nader
Total 23%
Personal 25%
Economic 20%

Dennis Kucinich
Total 13%
Personal 10%
Economic 15%

:wizard:

So my only match over 50% is with Bush and it's just on economics and it's only 60% on THAT!

No, larch, it's definitely, certainly, surely NOT Kerry. I'd shoot myself first. Or rather, I'd be voting to shoot my kid, once President Kerry's trade war with that 1200 pound gorilla to the west erupts into a shooting war!

(I'm a bit surprised they don't have the Libertarian, Michael Badnarik, on the quiz. He should be on the ballot in all 50 states. Or 48. Or 38. Or something. But more states than Nader.)

Larch, could YOU be a closet Libertarian? (I doubt it. But try.)

The Libertarian quiz!

http://www.lp.org/quiz/

I suspect there are a few people here who agree more with the Libertarian platform than the Democrats or the Republicans!

(I don't think Adam Smith could run, come to think, since he's not native-born...that is, if he was were alive today. Which he's not. So it looks like the Libertarian's unemployed computer programmer geek (Badnarik) gets my vote....If there were any chance at all that New Jersey could go for Bush, I'd have to vote for him because of that 60%, but there's not. So I'm not throwing my vote away.)

http://www.badnarik.org/

[HondaMan]

I took the quiz and I was a Libertarian leaning right:
Your Personal issues Score is 60%.
Your Economic issues Score is 80%.

BTW, bob I heard there is a chance that New Jersey could go the way of Bush. ;)

[larchmont]

OK, OK, OK! :D

George W. Bush
Howard Dean
Dick Cheney
John Kerry
Bob Graham
Al Sharpton
John Edwards
Ralph Nader
Dennis Kucinich

So my only match over 50% is with Bush and it's just on economics and it's only 60% on THAT!


I'm quoting Bob's list, because it's so bizarre. :D

Which I guess means he's even more "independent" than the rest of us.

I mean.....George Bush first, Howard Dean second????? :rofl:

And, as far as Bob's concerned, Kerry is ABOVE AVERAGE!


Larchmont, who knows that was a deceptive spin.



About Bob's "economic" score with Bush being only 60%: Judging from our numbers so far, that's actually a pretty HIGH number.


Digression: We haven't seen any severe divergence between anyone's two numbers ("personal" and "economic") for any given candidate.
Ferg especially showed quite a bit of that kind of divergence (wonder what that means.....), but even there, we didn't see anything like 60% personal and 10% economic. I think this shows that there really are certain kinds of correlations between people's beliefs in very different areas. We've known it's true, although it doesn't get discussed much. (I've NEVER heard or seen it discussed.)

[larchmont]

Took the Libertarian test:

"According to your answers, your political philosophy is on the border of: left-liberal and authoritarian."

My red dot was about as far from Libertarian as you can get.
I was surprised.

But not really surprised after I went through those questions.
It's pretty obvious what the "Libertarian" answers are, and I couldn't give ANY Libertarian answers. Part of the problem, I think, is that the questions are phrased too "flat-out." So I "flunked" this test. But I'd probably flunk any test where the questions are phrased like that, including a "Liberal" test.

As far as I'm concerened, just about any time ANYTHING is stated so flat-out, you have to disagree with it.

[pocketkiller]

I can somewhat agree because when they asked if you feel ABORTION IS A WOMAN'S RIGHT. I have to oppose, because I don't think it is a RIGHT. I think it is a priviledge. RIGHTS are inalienable and god given. Abortion is not a god given right.

[pocketkiller]

no liberals to dispute?

[larchmont]

no liberals to dispute?
Dispute what?

If you're talking about whether abortion rights are a "right" or a "privilege," to most people that's a semantic point -- even to me, as someone who makes a lot more of semantics than most.

The question here was whether women should be able to choose.

[pocketkiller]

I thought the question was "Do women have the right to choose"?

but out your handy dictionary and lets define the difference.

[Ferg]

no liberals to dispute?

No, I'm not gonna bite -- you've been fishing for an abortion argument on a couple threads now, but I don't see the point in arguing abortion. This may sound cold, but it has very little impact on my life, one way or the other. I may feel differently in other circumstances...

I think abortion is just one of the hot-button polarizing issues that single issue voters tend to over-focus on. I believe there are far more important issues this country faces, but unfortunately abortion tends to be the one that elicits the strongest response from a lot of people, and that response tends to make them believe it's more important than it really is.

[Ferg]

BTW...I scored very strongly libertarian on Bob's little quiz. Surprise! I don't know how I feel about that just yet. I had some suspicions that I had a strong libertarian stripe, but I really don't enough to say yay or nay in a situation where the questions aren't so cut and dry like Larch said.

[pocketkiller]

this is the only thread i've ever mentioned abortion, and only because of that stupid quiz.

[HondaMan]

Here is your chance to be part of a polling survey:
http://209.128.109.235/20/survey/s.phtml?sn=49&prog=75

[Ferg]

this is the only thread i've ever mentioned abortion, and only because of that stupid quiz.

My apologies....I mistook you for someone else who was talking about abortion in another thread.

Ferg