Spoon 6MT Straight-Short Shifter Assembly

[Noel]

Something I couldn't understand why Honda implemented a curved/slanted shift lever design, not only is it off centre but it can also cause mis-shifts. One of the improvements made by Spoon was to correct this with a replacement assembly that changes the shift lever back into a central straight position whilst reducing shift throws aka reducing shifting distances. @ ¥32,000 ~ Approximately $300 USD RRP, this is truly an essential upgrade if you find your current shifting with a "room for improvement".

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[Joker]

Thank you very much for the heads up Noel :thumbsup:
Joker - who now wants to do this upgrade :D

[TSXinity]

how much of a lesser shifting distance? I like it to be really "short throws"....like those on the RX-8 and the 350z...

[Noel]

Tough question to answer unless you've done this mod and driven both, quite frankly ... My impression of the OEM 6MT is quite ideal in shift distance even without any modifications, it's the off-centre that's a bigger concern thus Spoon addressed with a relevant change for their race car.

[tony4311]

Thank you very much for the heads up Noel :thumbsup:
Joker - who now wants to do this upgrade :D

..but..but...it's not mugen!? :P

[Joker]

..but..but...it's not mugen!? :P
<--likes Spoon as well :thumbsup: Shhhhhh :D

[johnej]

ok... but what might have been the reason for the off center placement of the shift lever?

[Noel]

That's a mystery. http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

[j.tear1080]

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[TSXinity]

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lol....there's more on my other post --> http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2841&page=2&pp=15

[j.tear1080]

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[j.tear1080]

oh yeah, and the apexi exhaust looks great!

[Type-S Swiss]

I checked my 6M Honda Euro accord and the shifter is dead center. Not sure if I am missing anything or ?

[Noel]

Did you take off the shift boot to verify that the shifter is actually straight and not bend?

If so, that'll be interesting. Show us some pictures if you could.

[Type-S Swiss]

nope I did not take it off - it could actually be bent but it sits right in the middle.

I'll try to get a picture when I have a minute

[Noel]

You won't actually see it bend unless you remove the shift boot. Most people won't realize the difference actually. Unless, it might be truly straight.

[Type-S Swiss]

from the STD pic you have posted, is it actually in 1st gear or no gear is engaged?

In my car, that would look like when the 1st is engaged.

[johnej]

Why is there a bend in the first place? and how does that effect the ability/or lack therof someone to shift gears?

[Noel]

from the STD pic you have posted, is it actually in 1st gear or no gear is engaged?

Both pictures are taken in neutral. The shifter in first should be elevated forward left. Have you removed the shift boot to find out if the shifter is bent or straight?

Why is there a bend in the first place? and how does that effect the ability/or lack therof someone to shift gears?

My initial remarks - Something I couldn't understand why Honda implemented a curved/slanted shift lever design, not only is it off centre but it can also cause mis-shifts. One of the improvements made by Spoon was to correct this with a replacement assembly that changes the shift lever back into a central straight position whilst reducing shift throws aka reducing shifting distances.

[Type-S Swiss]

no I have not removed the boot - not sure If I want to - or will be able to put it back on ! LOL

I tried to feel through the material and I can only feel something straight, no curve at all.

[TSX Cman]

the pics are way too exagerated. my shifter stands straight up. but i installed the short shifter comptech myself and i know where the bend is. i cant see it makin a diff.

any one know how i can make my shifts more solid . i dont like the looseness in shifts, or while its in a position you can wiggle it. i have a short shifter, but sometimes i mess up shifting cuz of the looseness. i want to just pound it into gear and feel it click

[Noel]

I don't know how it can be exeggerated when the pictures taken are clearly free standing and un-edited. But anyhow, if individual owners don't find it a justification for concern then don't.

You can improvise your shifting feel more "solid" by using a heavier weight gear knob.

[blackcruiser]

That's a mystery. http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

From my humble knowledge, to engage reverse gear for a 6MT, you have to push it all to the right and with a spoon shifter, you will tend to hit on the brake lever. There is only little allowance for the shifer in reverse mode between the brake lever. Thus the OEM shifter will have wider allowance to prevent any blockage while engaging reverse gear. :deezo:

[TSX Cman]

i dont know about your cars. but my ebrake is on the left side of the shifter, being the opposite side of reverse. meaning it doesnt get inthe way of anything

[loxllxol]

My shifter is dead center. Never really had a problem with it.

[blackcruiser]

Put it this way, Accord is from Japan, and theirs is RHD.

[Noel]

I've never had contact with the Spoon shifter assembly and handbrake. I'm RHD as well, CL9 Australian delivered specifications. I thought it was a design to aid people in driving or shifting easier though. With the Spoon shifter, you need to be more accurate and precise, otherwise you'd either get it into the wrong gear or mis-shift very easily.

[blackcruiser]

This is the situation for JDM CL7 Euro R. Maybe CL9 does have some differences at the shifter.

[Cyde]

you guy do know that you are comparing a euro Accord RHD with LHD TSX =, the center console where the handbrake is different, i'm not suprised if it was desgned with the intention for adptiing to the different moving away shifts to moving closer shifts depending on the side you sit, plus the hand brake position is different!

Your USDM LHD TSX:
http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2653&stc=1 http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2656&stc=1 Left handbrake
Your JDM RHD Accord http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2655&stc=1 Right handbrake
Finally the EDM LHD Accordhttp://www.tsxclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2657&stc=1 Left handbrake

My point is they obviously did it for clearence reasons, and without adequate clearence, it's not going to to be the best shifting.
Also when your in neutral centre, your mostly dead center, and your going to more the shifter through the gears to the right for the higher gears, well your doing the same pattern weather your on a LHD or RHD and the placement of the handbrake chages also!

[nachob]

Noel, I don't think the short shifter will help much in the TSX because the damn DBW throttle doesn't let you do fast shifts without bucking. Also, the throws seem pretty short already. The real limitation is that it's hard to sync the throttle and clutch during fast shifts.

I think a better mod for the TSX is a better throttle system map and a 6 Cylinder VTEC motor.

JMO

Ignacio

[jerome736]

Whoa whats big dial in the middle of the EDM pic do? Haha I feel somehow cheated in the fact that I don't have one of those hehe

[Noel]

Ignacio - I don't have a problem with the DBW system and shifting. Saying that though, I always double clutch upshift and downshift. The DBW system does take alot of getting used to before you appreciate the goodness of it.

Jerome - It's a different instrument cluster from the Acura TSX cluster.

[cupnoodle]

Whoa whats big dial in the middle of the EDM pic do? Haha I feel somehow cheated in the fact that I don't have one of those hehe

I think you're referring to the volume control dial.

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[nachob]

Noel, my shifting concern is with the long awkward clutch throw and the too sensitive drive by wire throttle. If those things worked well, then I might consider a short shifter but with the clutch being so awkward, it doesn't seem like it's worth the money. Are any of the aftermarket companies coming up with a clutch throw fix for the TSX? That would be really great.

Thanks for your updates.

Ignacio

[Noel]

Clutch throw as in clutch pedal distance or feel? I've been off the OE clutch kit for more than a year now. Still, no problems for me with the DBW sensitivity. In fact with my current clutch kit, the revs are even harder to control than before and don't make for an ideal daily driver without shifting accurately and precisely.

[nachob]

Clutch throw as in clutch pedal distance or feel? I've been off the OE clutch kit for more than a year now. Still, no problems for me with the DBW sensitivity. In fact with my current clutch kit, the revs are even harder to control than before and don't make for an ideal daily driver without shifting accurately and precisely.

Thanks Noel, I guess it's both, the clutch seems a little vague and the it takes a lot travel. It's hard to shift this car smoothly if you are doing spirited driving. I wish someone make a new pedal or master cylinder combination that improved the stock clutch. Anyway, thanks for the info.

IB

[Noel]

I'd take you're using the factory MTF fluid. Apart from a shorter shifter to improve shifting. A heavier spherical gear knob matched with the JDM pedals works well.