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Ferg
08-31-2004, 12:48 PM
Kerry: Undecided to the end

By Jonah Goldberg

BOSTON — In 1970, President Nixon nominated Judge G. Harrold Carswell to the Supreme Court. Responding to the criticism that Carswell was a mediocre nominee, Nebraska Sen. Roman Hruska defended the judge, saying there are lots of mediocre people, and "they are entitled to a little representation, aren't they?"

Well, in America today, there are lots of undecided people and, now that the Democratic convention is over, it's clear the John Kerry campaign thinks they deserve a little representation, too. From the outset, this convention has appealed to voters who are not merely undecided about Bush vs. Kerry, but who are undecided about a lot of things.

I'd presume that some delegates — as they wait at the airport, funny hats safely stowed — may feel as though they've just seen a Rorschach test in which people of diverse political views can all see something in the candidate.

Yes, yes, Kerry is a flip-flopper. But such charges don't do justice to his worldview. The man has more facets than a disco ball. Take Kerry's infamous "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it" gaffe about funding for the Iraq war. Kerry rejects the idea that even a yes-or-no vote is a yes-or-no proposition.

Yes, no, maybe so

For most, a yes/no vote is like a light switch — only two possible positions. But for Kerry, everything has a dimmer knob. He rejects the notion that the bulb must be on or off. He thinks he can blend black and white into shades of gray — illuminating here, obscuring there.

This theme plays out over and over again in his biography, most famously in his record as both a decorated veteran and demagogic anti-war activist. He was for the Vietnam War before he was against it. In Kerry's world, squares can be circles, straight lines crooked, cats dogs. To borrow from the immortal Yogi Berra, when Kerry comes to a fork in the road, he takes it.

In many respects, such cognitive dissonance is a continuation of pre-9/11 political trends. The first George Bush said he had "more will than wallet." Bill Clinton promised a "third way" that "rejected the false choices" between right and left. And George W. Bush's uniting-not-dividing compassionate conservatism was more of a Republican version of Clintonian triangulation than a Republican alternative to it.

But Kerry's tactical gamble is bolder. His predecessors were all elected when the Cold War was ending or over, and a nation at peace can afford to roll the dice. Kerry is running during a war that some consider vital, some see as confusing and others dismiss as unnecessary. Kerry wants to win over all three groups by agreeing with all of them. He does this by talking in paragraphs of boring logical-loop-the-loop sentences that seem to be written in vanishing ink. But he's also trying to downplay the importance of the war. Kerry wants to "handle" the war on terrorism, not dedicate himself to it.

In fact, when asked during a primary debate in Milwaukee whether he, like Bush, would see himself as a war president, he said, "I'd see myself first of all as a jobs president."

Indeed, a number of political commentators have been arguing that Kerry's best shot is to be the candidate who will deliver voters a "holiday from history." Americans, according to this theory, want time to digest all of the momentous events since 9/11 and not be bothered with news of car bombs, interim governments and jihadists.

Long-table diplomacy

The world may be consumed by the maelstrom, but Kerry will guarantee that America remains in the eye of the storm. He'll do this by conjuring chimerical "strong alliances" and negotiating in "good faith" with sycophantic foreign leaders around long tables festooned with bottled water and clever cheese. Never mind that these are impossible promises — much like Neville Chamberlain's "peace in our time." Indeed, impossible promises are often the ones voters want to hear most.

Yes, of course, Kerry and, suddenly, John Edwards say al-Qaeda must be destroyed, but such statements are no-brainers politically. What candidate is going to proudly proclaim that Uncle Sam will bend over for a paddling like Kevin Bacon in Animal House and yell "Thank you, sir! May I have another!" after 9/11?

But when it comes to looking the threats we face square in the eye in order to make the hard decisions, the Boston Democrats still blink. For example, they still talk about first-responders as a defense against terrorism. That makes as much sense as saying new Band-Aids are an improved defense against bullies.

After four days here, I must say in all fairness that the Boston Democrats represent huge progress over, say, the San Francisco Democrats of '84 who, in Jeanne Kirkpatrick's words, blamed America first. To the extent this evolution is sincere rather than contrived, they should be commended. But if this election ends up truly being about national security, the Democrats will have to do a lot better at explaining the difference between nuance and naïveté.

Jonah Goldberg is editor-at-large of National Review Online and syndicated columnist.

Ferg
08-31-2004, 12:48 PM
See article here:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2004-07-29-goldberg_x.htm

O. W. Kone
08-31-2004, 01:38 PM
The view that there is only one answer to today's problems is simplistic to say the least. This is a complex world just as we are every country looking out for their own interest first - therefore one has to be flexible and diplomatic in their approach. Having several view points and being able to adjust to the situation is the sign of a pragmatic, flexible, adaptable and progressive leader.

In contrast, imagine for example a military commander having one battle plan and willing to excute it without regard to the actual situation on the ground no matter the cost - would that be sign of a good commander?

As for Kerry protesting against the Vietnam War at least he was there - therfore he earned the right to protest - as against those who used family connections to escape Vietnam war altogther.

larchmont
08-31-2004, 01:38 PM
.....This theme plays out over and over again in his biography, most famously in his record as both a decorated veteran and demagogic anti-war activist. He was for the Vietnam War before he was against it.....
I've wondered if maybe this was the origin of his tendency. It's the kind of thing you can't really know -- certainly not without knowing more about his earlier history (especially, was he like that before) and probably no matter how much we'll ever know. But an experience like that sure can affect your thinking forever. You can call it post-traumatic stress disorder, or you can call it nothing. But I'm sure it could happen.

BTW this doesn't mean it's a bad tendency. You could also call it learning that life and the world are complicated.

Ferg
08-31-2004, 02:51 PM
As for Kerry protesting against the Vietnam War at least he was there - therfore he earned the right to protest - as against those who used family connections to escape Vietnam war altogther.


Hmmmm...I wonder who OWK is referring to here? :donno:

:spit:

bob shiftright
08-31-2004, 07:06 PM
Hmmmm...I wonder who OWK is referring to here?

I missed the logic.

So Lincoln, Wilson and Roosevelt forfeited their rights to opine, never mind to engage the country in the Civil War (970,227 total US casualties), WW-I (204,002), and WW-II (670,846), because they either failed to see combat or failed to serve in the military at all?

Hmmmmm.

HondaMan
09-01-2004, 10:14 AM
I missed the logic.

So Lincoln, Wilson and Roosevelt forfeited their rights to opine, never mind to engage the country in the Civil War (970,227 total US casualties), WW-I (204,002), and WW-II (670,846), because they either failed to see combat or failed to serve in the military at all?

Hmmmmm.

Thank you bob...I'm glad somone knows better! :thumbsup:

OWK & Larch are the best of friends now...isn't that sweet! :leapfrog: hehe ;)

Ferg
09-01-2004, 11:14 AM
I'm wondering why Bob chose to quote me instead of OWK??

HondaMan
09-01-2004, 12:12 PM
I'm wondering why Bob chose to quote me instead of OWK??

Oh, nevermind it was Ferg that Larch was quoting. :o

Ferg
09-01-2004, 01:37 PM
No, larch was not quoting me. Larch was quoting the text that I cut and pasted into the thread. I did not write the article -- that was Jonah Goldberg.

larchmont
09-01-2004, 02:32 PM
Sounds like HondaMan has a problem with his facts. :D

See what happens when he spends too much time listening to the wrong people? :lol:

Come home, HondaMan, come home, before it's too late! :rofl:

HondaMan
09-01-2004, 02:41 PM
Sounds like HondaMan has a problem with his facts. :D

See what happens when he spends too much time listening to the wrong people? :lol:

Come home, HondaMan, come home, before it's too late! :rofl:

LOL...NEVER! :p Just an error on my part.

O. W. Kone
09-07-2004, 12:18 PM
I missed the logic.

So Lincoln, Wilson and Roosevelt forfeited their rights to opine, never mind to engage the country in the Civil War (970,227 total US casualties), WW-I (204,002), and WW-II (670,846), because they either failed to see combat or failed to serve in the military at all?

Hmmmmm.

Are you comparing Bush with Lincoln, Roosevelt?

The wars you mention had widespread internal support. Civil war and WW 2 were just wars and were of necessity. In WW2 we were attacked first.

Vietnam was an unjust unnecessary war - Republican Nixon realized that and started the disengagement. Kerry volunteered, served and also protested. In contrast to Bush and Cheney who did not serve at all - in case of Cheney he had 5 defferments and both hid stateside using family connections. I recently read Cheney had actually said the timing for serving in Vietnam was inconvenient -Inconvenient???? Neither still do not even have an opinion on Vietnam.

None of the reasons given for Iraq - WMD, biological weapons has been proven. The 9/11 bi-partsian commission has also said there were no credible links between 9/11 and Saddam. Iraq was a war of choice - some also say of whim, ego and lies.

Ferg
09-07-2004, 03:45 PM
OWK, I think you're being too hard on ole Shrub. You forget that he spent his time in the military defending Houston from certain attack from the Viet Cong. It's just that the Liberal Media Owned By Republicans never reported on the heavy fighting in the Dallas-Fort Worth and Houston vicinity.

Bush served honorably, right up until the day he went AWOL for a year. Then he continued to serve honorably when he came back, right up until they discharged him 8 months early. :rolleyes:

larchmont
09-07-2004, 06:50 PM
Note to everybody: Beware of interpreting any of Ferg's posts too quickly; you have to make sure to read carefully.

A word to the wise...... :D