Cybernation Turbo Kit

[Outkast_CL9]

Well as you all know Cybernation is hard at work in making a turbo kit for the TSX K24. If the kit is anything like the RSX Kit that they produce it should be well worth the $4000 they are going to charge for it. My question to you guys is who on here would Turbo their TSX? Doesn't seem like the kind of car that you will be willing to beat up.

[Tommy_SX]

I Would Turbo It After I Buy Another Daily Driven Car =)

[P-Raz]

Well as you all know Cybernation is hard at work in making a turbo kit for the TSX K24. If the kit is anything like the RSX Kit that they produce it should be well worth the $4000 they are going to charge for it. My question to you guys is who on here would Turbo their TSX? Doesn't seem like the kind of car that you will be willing to beat up.

Just cause you are running boost, doesn't mean you have to beat her up :) Keep her at the req. stage one boost level and make sure you have the proper gauges so you can keep an eye on things to make sure no problems. Also remember nothing lasts forever, so parts will have to be upgraded/replaced with time.


And Tommy_SX, dude your avater is huge. How about resizing that sucka.

[Joker]

Another option (that is in the works) to think about :thumbsup:

http://home.comcast.net/~pxs2030/tsx/TSX_CTSC_front.jpg

[P-Raz]

Another option (that is in the works) to think about :thumbsup:

http://home.comcast.net/~pxs2030/tsx/TSX_CTSC_front.jpg


Oh yeah, Comptech supercharger. Eaton roots design, and since it is made from Comptech you know it will be realible and also costly LOL But great choice for daily driving for the driver who only is looking for like 50-80 WHP.

[godofwine]

OK, so call me ignorant but what's the real difference between a turbo and a supercharger? Is it that the turbo is exhaust driven and the supercharger is engine driven? Also, how much do you think the supercharger will run when it becomes available?

[PrecyseStylez]

Im waiting to turbo charge my TSX..im not a fan of the supercharger for the money it costs and the power it produces. Maybe if the supercharger came with more hardware like an intercooler or something but thats a maybe. Superchargers nowadays make minimum power to keep things more reliable it seems. No one i've seen has come out with a complete supercharger setup..so you wont be making really good power without alot of money and other mods. But with a turbo it seems they come ready to produce around 100HP over stock numbers and then more room to upgrade.. I'll be waiting for more things to come out for the tSX like pistons/rods/sleeves/and to lower the compression a bit/fuel pumps/etc. So now its a waiting process

[JDMCL9T]

Any idea when the Cybernation kit will be released?

[Euro.R]

i also would be very interested in tc/sc the tsx.

[FearthisTSX]

I am very interested in SC the TSX.

[tsx on dubs]

i think the supercharger would be alot easier then a turbo and less money by far .MY girlfriend has a supercharged rsx-s and its plain out nasty and has no extra oil lines u have to tap into for the turbo that could be a leak one day .The supercharger is a one or 2 day project to install and install a smaller pulley for more boost and more fun ..I am going to wait for jackson racing to come out with there supercharger for the tsx since it has alot better #'s then comptech does on the same car..just my thoughts on the whole s/c vs turbo ... david

[JDMCL9T]

So the majority of people on here would rather Supercharge than Turbocharge their TSX's? Personally, I would rather turbocharge mines because I have ridden in both a turbo and supercharged RSX and you just cannot compare the feel of the two cars. I agree that superchargers are more efficient and easier to install but to me, all that is a small price to pay for having a Turbocharged TSX. I can pretty much also guarantee that if any Comptech supercharged TSX line up next to me and my Turbo TSX, I think they will have a hard time keeping up and if they do, i'll just reach down to my boost controller and press the OTB (Over Take Boost) button that has a higher preset boost level and call it a day. So what is the advantage of a Supercharger? No lag? So what, your talking about a 2.4 with a turbo...I don't think I will have a problem with lag =). Disadvantages of having a Supercharger? Can't change the boost, Supercharger always working (wearing out). By the way, I definetly think a Turbo on a TSX will make way more than 40-50WHP as said by Comptech on their Supercharger. I guess the only thing I can say to someone that is convinced on supercharging is to take a ride in a Turbo car and you will KNOW the difference. As far as price goes, $3,595.00 for the comptech kit is a good price but I can tell you one thing, I wouldn't mind paying a little bit more for the turbo kit and get double the horsepower of the supercharger.

[johnej]

interesting... I had a sc gtp, and had fun with it..

[Noel]

JDMCL9T ... Good luck, I hope I never hear about you having "after" problems.

[PrecyseStylez]

JDMCL9T ... Good luck, I hope I never hear about you having "after" problems.

Hater!...lol Im always for a turbo kit over a supercharger! unless companies started making complete supercharger kits pushing 80 to 100HP increases :ben:

[Noel]

Hater!

What the? http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/images/smilies/1/rolleyes.gif

[JDMCL9T]

Don't get me wrong, I am not talking sh!t about SC (superchargers). In fact, I think SC is a very good alternative to TC (turbocharging). All im saying is that if I had the choice, I would definetly go with the turbo. I know plenty of cars that came OEM SC and really impressed me. But like I said, as far as the fun factor is concerned, you can't compare it to turbos, especially if your talking about aftermarket TC where it is common to find a company that can give you 100whp by just adding their TC. Now how big of a belt and pulley do you have to run to get that kinda power out of your SC and at that kind of output, what do you think will be more a effiecient, a SC or TC? I would say that the TC is more efficient because it takes alot more for a SC to make that kinda power then a TC. As far as the "after problems" are concerned, IMO, you run into those type of problems because of two things: first of all is that when people turbo their cars, they automatically think they have a race car and they race everywhere they go. Because it is turbo, you have to take even better care of it and not ABUSE it or else its not going to last. For example, you can't miss your oil changes, use only good oil and good gasoline, make sure you have good sparkplugs in it all the time, have a clean oil, fuel, and air filter. These things are required for having a turbo car but then again, if you care about your car, these are things that you should always do anyway wether or not you have a turbo or SC so in actuality, its not really extra maintenance. For people that are not into maintaining their car like I am then I guess SC is the way to go. In a way when you SC, you just set it and forget it. Second, I have heard of some people that spend all this money on putting a turbo on their car but they go cheap in some critical areas of the turbo kit, for example the fuel system. Everyone here should know and if they don't know, the fuel system is the most important aspect of forced induction cars. If you do decide to turbo your car, do it the right way eventhough it might cost more to do it. Like I said, all of this is IMO so please don't read anything into it, im just glad that the TSX community has a place to go to get other peoples opinions. As for all you SC TSX's, I hope we can have some stoplight confrontations someday... =)

[TSXmike]

imo id rather SC my car... i see turbos as more of a high performance function ment for cars of high performance, i.e. rx7, supra, skyline

an SC i see more as a luxoury item... so i see it more fit to the TSX...

[justsomeboi]

Don't get me wrong, I am not talking sh!t about SC (superchargers). In fact, I think SC is a very good alternative to TC (turbocharging). All im saying is that if I had the choice, I would definetly go with the turbo. I know plenty of cars that came OEM SC and really impressed me. But like I said, as far as the fun factor is concerned, you can't compare it to turbos, especially if your talking about aftermarket TC where it is common to find a company that can give you 100whp by just adding their TC. Now how big of a belt and pulley do you have to run to get that kinda power out of your SC and at that kind of output, what do you think will be more a effiecient, a SC or TC? I would say that the TC is more efficient because it takes alot more for a SC to make that kinda power then a TC. As far as the "after problems" are concerned, IMO, you run into those type of problems because of two things: first of all is that when people turbo their cars, they automatically think they have a race car and they race everywhere they go. Because it is turbo, you have to take even better care of it and not ABUSE it or else its not going to last. For example, you can't miss your oil changes, use only good oil and good gasoline, make sure you have good sparkplugs in it all the time, have a clean oil, fuel, and air filter. These things are required for having a turbo car but then again, if you care about your car, these are things that you should always do anyway wether or not you have a turbo or SC so in actuality, its not really extra maintenance. For people that are not into maintaining their car like I am then I guess SC is the way to go. In a way when you SC, you just set it and forget it. Second, I have heard of some people that spend all this money on putting a turbo on their car but they go cheap in some critical areas of the turbo kit, for example the fuel system. Everyone here should know and if they don't know, the fuel system is the most important aspect of forced induction cars. If you do decide to turbo your car, do it the right way eventhough it might cost more to do it. Like I said, all of this is IMO so please don't read anything into it, im just glad that the TSX community has a place to go to get other peoples opinions. As for all you SC TSX's, I hope we can have some stoplight confrontations someday... =)

I concur... Even though I know the TSX wont have the biggest performance gains with a sc compared to a tc. SC is sort of a easier route for most of us. Especially since it appears that tc-ing would require more attention and maintenance on the engine and more things to consider like you said. I think most of us TSX owners just want some gains without worrying too much about maintenance and anything else that needs to be considered.

Haha but on stoplight confrontations... For sure youll rape the sc tsx

[nbpTSX812]

ok the comptech sc came out with 30-50 whp while maintaining the car as a daily driver. If you get a tc and push the psi of a daily driver (IMO about 7 psi) you'll be running about the same gains as the supercharger. However if you did decide to run at a high boost, lets say close to 15 psi, then you'll need upgraded internals to make that handle that much boost. It is true that tc is a easier way to get bigger gains with forced induction. You can daily drive low boost and race at high boost without messing with internals. And i dont think anything beats the joy of driving a tc'ed car with blow off valve. I mean in the long run the SC might save you an year or two of the cars life, but i think id have more fun with the tc.

anyways when's this cybernations turbo kit coming out? how much? i want turbo!

[nbpTSX812]

o and is the comptech supercharger out for the tsx? cuz i checked the site and its only out for the rsx.

[Rampant]

Newbie that I am (albeit a well-read one), is it really fair to compre a blower to a turbo? The SC should produce much more low-end power (driven from crank), yet the turbo should produce better high-end hp (more efficient) -- at the same boost levels.

So, the question becomes what type of driving are you after, and where do you spend most of your time in the RPM range. Street-driven cars may feel better with the blower. 10/10ths driving should feel better with the turbo.

One thing I am a little concerned about the turbo route is the really high compression. This will most likely keep boost levels low to keep the engine reliable, and then you don't get the most out of a turbo. Now, drop the compression, and that is a different story.

When all is said and done, I think the SC will be a great choice for most people, and will certainly be the most economical. Got the extra cash though, and a low-compression, higher boosted turbo should walk all over the SC. But then, drivability and reliability become factors.

Only time and experience will tell though.

[PrecyseStylez]

Newbie that I am (albeit a well-read one), is it really fair to compre a blower to a turbo? The SC should produce much more low-end power (driven from crank), yet the turbo should produce better high-end hp (more efficient) -- at the same boost levels.

So, the question becomes what type of driving are you after, and where do you spend most of your time in the RPM range. Street-driven cars may feel better with the blower. 10/10ths driving should feel better with the turbo.

One thing I am a little concerned about the turbo route is the really high compression. This will most likely keep boost levels low to keep the engine reliable, and then you don't get the most out of a turbo. Now, drop the compression, and that is a different story.

When all is said and done, I think the SC will be a great choice for most people, and will certainly be the most economical. Got the extra cash though, and a low-compression, higher boosted turbo should walk all over the SC. But then, drivability and reliability become factors.

Only time and experience will tell though.

even with high compression you can run 5-7psi 250WHP-270WHP easy! with no real serious problems.. up grade the water pump and some other minor parts and you should be fine at that PSI.. any higher i would start to get rid of some stock internals. And the whole TC/SC debate.. well you have to understand Turbo's come in different sizes!! some spool quicker than others (nobody ever mentions this). So the size of the Turbo matters..i've seen some turbo's start spooling @2,000rpms and making nice power at that rpm! (30+ WHP more than stock) I've also seen SC's blow trannies!! that could be a big bill!! Main point is TC or SC..you can still run into problems!! Every time i read about TC vs. SC, SCharged guys tend to make it seem that Turbo systems are bad for cars.. SC's are less maintance..but that doesnt mean it wont break anything! If it didnt come from the factory with it..there's a chance it could do some damage to your engine!!..

[carcustomizer]

i'd boooost!!

[lunner]

Now boyssss. Why not SC and TC??? LOL :gapteeth:

[deskx22]

i think the supercharger would be alot easier then a turbo and less money by far .MY girlfriend has a supercharged rsx-s and its plain out nasty and has no extra oil lines u have to tap into for the turbo that could be a leak one day .The supercharger is a one or 2 day project to install and install a smaller pulley for more boost and more fun ..I am going to wait for jackson racing to come out with there supercharger for the tsx since it has alot better #'s then comptech does on the same car..just my thoughts on the whole s/c vs turbo ... david


i was talking to the folks at jackson racing... and it looks like they wont release a SC for the tsx -.-; yea turbo install is a real BI*CH. took me and my pal 3 days (ep3). there was also a leak in vaccum somewhere! but its ok now. id be real interested with the CN kit though, real great tuning. but i kind of want something new, like a supercharger.

[TSX Cman]

I HOPE THAT "SOME COMPANY" MAKES "SOME KIND OF FORCED INDUCTION". wouldnt that be cool for once. comptech is doing a terrible job at producing their SC's. i wish one company would just get serious and make something

[Triz]

i agree, cant wait to force some air into my engine

[socaljdmtsx]

They start doing that and we will end up spending like $8k for a sc. But yeah it would be nice. Sorry PrecyseStylez,.....go sc its a simple bolt on kit, less maintenance.

[Benz]

I....like...turbos... they...are...cool.......hahahhaa

great posts guys, learned alot..... of course the turbo is WAY more fun, and the sound of the BOV is a killer....but i think most of us got the TSX as a daily driver, and most of us (I think) got it in auto as well.....so not much of a performance wise car. I DO love turbos.....but from all these posts, SC sounds like the best deal~ ANd of course, there's HOndata ......haha~

[curls]

Personally I'd go supercharger. Why? Always boosted at any RPM. Low end torque is upped considerably, and you don't have to stick to the upper RPM range to get any use out of it.

I don't all-out race, but having the passing power w/o downshifting would be nice, plus the fact that the area under the HP curve for a properly SC'd car would be greater than that of a turbo'd car, I'd go SC anyday.

A friend of mine has a JDM H22a in a 1999 Integra. Supercharged. Probably the only one in north america with this -- and it pulls INCREDIBLY hard. I've been in a Teg w/ 24 psi of boost using C16 race fuel. Yes, it hauled ass, but low-end torque was lacking until about 3000rpm (mind you, after 3000 rpm, hold the **** on because WEEEEE!!).

In the end, for the large gains of the TC in the upper rpm range, vs the moderate gains across the rpm range for a SC, I'd defiantely go SC.

Plus once you build the bottom end up, slap a higher compression pulley on and enjoy.

[deskx22]

well i called comptech... looks like they wont be releasing the sc for the tsx... sucks!!! then i called cybernation... they also said they might not release their turbo... 'too many complications'... assholes :tardsmash :tardsmash :tardsmash :mecry:

[nas liw]

faCk!!! i guess it's time to go custome..... in a few i will probably try to talk to a shop in so cal and see if they will custome on to my car.... i already talked to a SD shop but they were charging 5k for everything.... imma see what i can do... cause i know all yhall wanna turbo your ride right!??!?1 ahahahha

well you know what i mean.. for all you speed junkies... we'll see what we can do.. latzzz...

[SilverBullet04]

OMFGGGGGGGGGGG Comptech flaked on ussssss. This is major BS.

[nbpTSX812]

so no supercharger or turbocharger for the TSX at all??? besides custom

[Andynolife]

well i called comptech... looks like they wont be releasing the sc for the tsx... sucks!!! then i called cybernation... they also said they might not release their turbo... 'too many complications'... assholes :tardsmash :tardsmash :tardsmash :mecry:
r u serious ? .. ... ~ the comptech SC is goin to the market for damn sure .. ~ it's liek 99% done except sedning them out ~
read this urself guys .. it's even on the cateloge P.12
http://www.comptechusa.com/images/comptech_2005.pdf
u better check ur comptech dude .. ~ obviously he doesn't kno wtf is he talking abt ~

[nas liw]

does anyone know about the turbo though??? what is the eta on that?

[deskx22]

r u serious ? .. ... ~ the comptech SC is goin to the market for damn sure .. ~ it's liek 99% done except sedning them out ~
read this urself guys .. it's even on the cateloge P.12
http://www.comptechusa.com/images/comptech_2005.pdf
u better check ur comptech dude .. ~ obviously he doesn't kno wtf is he talking abt ~


i went to 3 shops AND called up comptech... they told me it was hard to tune... o4 and o5 have different ecus. at least that was their excuse

[deskx22]

does anyone know about the turbo though??? what is the eta on that?


cybernation told me that they were moving, so it would be another couple months if they even release it at all. they said they had the turbo and the gaurdian, but they didnt have the piping done. he told me they might not release it because the new tsx is coming out... even before i found out a new one was coming out. lol :jeffy:

[deskx22]

i think everyone should call cybernation, so that theyd think theres a HUGE demand for the kit. so that they will release it.

[nas liw]

so the 04 is dif from the 05 does that mean they have one for the 04? or 05? and what about the 03? :jester: hahahha just wondering...

cause i think that sounds stupid.... and even if they have diff ecu's they have things to trick the ecu's now so that you can run turbo don't they? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Benz]

Having 05 sucks then..... Hondata not out yet, and now Turbos and SC are coming out for 04 n 03 first??.... this sucks!