BobD and HM agree to disagree...

[HondaMan]

Well, it has become transparent that direct or indirect "conservative" views can not be tolerated here and/or they are not popular with the "liberals" here that can't handle the truth...majority rules I guess. So be it...it really is a pointless battle with many of you on the left. I just talked to BobD and he told me that he is not coming back...I don't blame him. That will more than likely please some of you. Enough is enough…we are done wasting our time here (my wife will also be pleased to hear this news).

I hope all you "liberals" enjoy debating amongst yourselves. I might come back to this subforum on Nov. 3 to say thank God for 4 more years! :D

So, BobD and I respectfully agree to disagree...y'all have fun! :wavey:

[tradsf]

Well, it has become transparent that direct or indirect "conservative" views can not be tolerated here and/or they are not popular with the "liberals" here that can't handle the truth...majority rules I guess. So be it...it really is a pointless battle with many of you on the left. I just talked to BobD and he told he is not coming back, and I don't blame him. That will more than likely please some of you. Enough is enough…we are done wasting our time here (my wife will also be pleased to hear this news).

I hope all you "liberals" enjoy debating amongst yourselves. I might come back to this subforum on Nov. 3 to say thank God for 4 more years! :D

So, BobD and I respectfully agree to disagree...y'all have fun! :wavey:

I, for one, find that regrettable. But your attitude, clearly expressed in your message here, is at the heart of the problem. It's your way or the highway... The whole purpose of this section is to debate and it is to be expected that left-wing and right-wing will argue. It's the whole point of the game. As a "Liberal", I am fully aware that people like BobD and yourself will never be convinced by my views, but you should not expect that all "Liberals" will suddenly agree with you either. God forbid should we ever live in a world where everyone has the same opinion! The important thing is to be able to debate respectfully. The conclusion you have arrived at is very regrettable and points to a certain inability to accept criticism on your part.

[HondaMan]

I, for one, find that regrettable. But your attitude, clearly expressed in your message here, is at the heart of the problem. It's your way or the highway... The whole purpose of this section is to debate and it is to be expected that left-wing and right-wing will argue. It's the whole point of the game. As a "Liberal", I am fully aware that people like BobD and yourself will never be convinced by my views, but you should not expect that all "Liberals" will suddenly agree with you either. God forbid should we ever live in a world where everyone has the same opinion! The important thing is to be able to debate respectfully. The conclusion you have arrived at is very regrettable and points to a certain inability to accept criticism on your part.

Again you are completely off base here...it's become a pointless and tiresome battle, and you can over analyze it all you want or paint us as the bad guys but you are wrong. We simply agree to disagree and if you can't accept that for what it is worth...then it's your problem not ours!

We will get the last laugh come Nov. 3rd! :p

Take care and long live Canada and the Republic of America.

-JP :)

[larchmont]

Well, it has become transparent that direct or indirect "conservative" views can not be tolerated here and/or they are not popular with the "liberals" here that can't handle the truth......
That's full of $hit.

We LOVE for people to express their views, especially opposing views, because otherwise, there wouldn't be much to discuss.

What is objectionable is when you're obnoxious, repetitive, and gratuitiously insulting, either toward a candidate or toward us -- and when you're just dismissive toward what we say. But that last part is the least of it -- it's mainly being obnoxious, repetitive, and insulting that's the problem.

Just lose that stuff, and you'll be amazed how "tolerant" people are.

[tradsf]

That's full of $hit.

We LOVE for people to express their views, especially opposing views, because otherwise, there wouldn't be much to discuss.

What is objectionable is when you're obnoxious, repetitive, and gratuitiously insulting, either toward a candidate or toward us, and when you're just dismissive toward what we say. But that last part is the last of it -- it's mainly being obnoxious, repetitive, and insulting that's the problem.

Just lose that stuff, and you'll be amazed how "tolerant" people are.

Think it's hopeless, larch...

[larchmont]

It's a cold day in hell before I think something's hopeless.

I was the guy in Yankee Stadium saying "we got 'em right where we want 'em" until the 9th inning. :D

[HondaMan]

That's full of $hit.

We LOVE for people to express their views, especially opposing views, because otherwise, there wouldn't be much to discuss.

What is objectionable is when you're obnoxious, repetitive, and gratuitiously insulting, either toward a candidate or toward us, and when you're just dismissive toward what we say. But that last part is the last of it -- it's mainly being obnoxious, repetitive, and insulting that's the problem.

Just lose that stuff, and you'll be amazed how "tolerant" people are.

Well (that's a deep subject…hehe), Larch thanks for more or less proving my point by stating exactly what you and others do. Any ways, these political flame wars have grown tiresome, so we have removed the alleged/accused source of the fuel.

This is my last post in this thread...interesting how our primary opponents were the first to reply. That is cool and I respect/applaud y'all for that and replied accordingly out of respect. Now, I hope we can move on & just agree to disagree. :)

[Noel]

HondaMan, I'm surprised you started this thread in representation of BobD and yourself. In fact, I find that very uncalled for especially when you should be advocating a neutral stance on whatever subject/topic being discussed as you hold a status higher than most, making whatever you say being amplified louder than normal.

I regret to know that BobD has taken the decision to not return to this forum but I must remind him the fact that this is ultimately a car/motoring forum, not a political/election campaign forum. His contributions are no doubt an insight to opinion and knowledge but beyond the boundaries of the subforum ... I cannot see any justification of valuable substance.

Fact is, everyone has and will always have an opinion on just about everything under the sun. Regardless of how that's being accepted whether by an individual, group, organization or society it doesn't change the fact that how an individual present themself cannot be limited or dictated by their opinion. Expression of viewpoint is one thing, but whether anyone accepts it or not ... Is yet another.

At the end of the day, it's not going to change anything no matter how it's put across. If a logical and tactful discussion cannot be had on one subject, you might as well not have one in the first place. This potrays a serious immaturity by pulicating an open statement and leaving when a common ground cannot be established.

This isn't a majority wins arena, this is a discussion arena with 2 sides of the coin regardless of how loud one side may be than the other. I was seriously expecting a level of example especially from a moderator's point of view instead of a bias overview.

[Ray]

Cant we all just get along.. :(

[larchmont]

:sprint:

[APOGEE]

Go away for a while and come back to this. Someone take their ball and go home?
I agree with Noel...I joined because it is a car forum, I get my politics elsewhere. Sorry to hear that they won't be back. I found it interesting.

[HondaMan]

That's great I say I'm not posting in this subforum anymore but not leaving the forum and I get demoted from Moderator all together. Thanks Ray...I guess you thought you were doing me a favor or something. It was not necessary to do what you did, but it's your website/forum...so be it!

Noel :russ: ,
I haven't figured out why you think you are so freaking special...or even why the other Mods/Admins think that. I have probably been a forum Moderator longer than you, since I have been a Moderator on ephatch.com for well over 2 years and other websites/forums and certainly was a Moderator here before you. So, you can take your sanctimonious stance and shove it (in my best Teresa Heinz Kerry voice)! In other words, you didn't tell me anything I did not already know or said on other car forums myself concerning politically related topics/threads. That wasn't PC...o well, deal with it. I'm sure you can handle it...you da man....right? :rolleyes:

Joker,
We are still cool and I appreciate the opportunity of Mod'ing here and good luck with it all. Take care my friend! :wavey:

I might stay around but that remains to be seen.

IBTL ;)

[larchmont]

That's great I say I'm not posting in this subforum anymore but not leaving the forum and I get demoted from Moderator all together.....
I hope you'll be around.

As for being "demoted" from moderator.....dunno, maybe it was a little before your time here, but I'm an ex-moderator too. Although I got "demoted" voluntarily, it probably wouldn't have been too long before I would have gotten demoted too. I was never that hot on being a mod, partly because of exactly this kind of thing: Your role changes, and you can't let it all hang out quite so much (and you can't let your opinions and biases affect your moderating). I'm more of a hanger-outer, and maybe you are too. Of course there are some things that people shouldn't do on here whether they're moderators or not, and that's what most of the recent controversy has been about, but I think the part that we're talking about here is just what I said before. If the bottom line is that you're more of a "hanger-outer," like me, that's no crime.

[P-Raz]

That's great I say I'm not posting in this subforum anymore but not leaving the forum and I get demoted from Moderator all together. Thanks Ray...I guess you thought you were doing me a favor or something. It was not necessary to do what you did, but it's your website/forum...so be it!


Whoa, that is really harsh. Just because you say you are not going to be participating in this section they demodded you????

Damn no consideration to atleast approach Jonathan ahead of a possible de-modding???

I am farily new here, but I have been a long time member of many boards and a super moderator... Assistant Administrator on two other forums and have known and worked beside Hondaman as mods on ephatch.com

I think someone should reconsider such a move, Hondaman has proven time and time again to be a great mod.

[larchmont]

I imagine it was more than just that he said he wasn't going to be participating in this section.

Like maybe, that it was some stuff on the private forum for the admins/mods, maybe also PM's and e-mails. It would be a mistake to think the only things that were involved were what we can see, or what HM condensed it down to in that post up there.

Beyond that, even speaking as someone who is big on having things out in the open, I think we should basically leave this to them, i.e. HM and the "powers-that-be." It doesn't mean we can't say anything more about it, of course, but what I'm saying is that we can't possibly weigh all that was involved, because we don't know.

[Noel]

Noel, I haven't figured out why you think you are so freaking special...or even why the other Mods/Admins think that. I have probably been a forum Moderator longer than you, since I have been a Moderator on ephatch.com for well over 2 years and other websites/forums and certainly was a Moderator here before you. So, you can take your sanctimonious stance and shove it (in my best Teresa Heinz Kerry voice)! In other words, you didn't tell me anything I did not already know or said on other car forums myself concerning politically related topics/threads. That wasn't PC...o well, deal with it. I'm sure you can handle it...you da man....right?

From a self resignation thread with a half-done attempt to justify what you did to a personal attack statement, absolutely ridiculous and only shows everyone why the decision on removing your moderator status isn’t a bad thing. This only substantiates the fact that you're exactly like what I said, immaturity at its very best.

I’d leave discretionary to the site owners/administrators to explain to you if any as to why you are no longer a moderator. Clearly that means something to you otherwise you wouldn’t have raised such a big fuss about this publicly. As for how long your service has been to this forum along with any relevant experience has neither meaning nor representation of my presence and position on TSXClub. Since you couldn’t comprehend why, I don’t see a need to explain myself either.

If you already knew this was coming, why get yourself in this predicament? Should you decide to make a comeback statement or significant comment, make sure it’s a smart one. Your forum experience and exposure will tell you this is going completely against you and it’s only getting uglier by the second. How you decide what sort of impression you want to leave is entirely up to you.

[Noel]

Like maybe, that it was some stuff on the private forum for the admins/mods, maybe also PM's and e-mails. It would be a mistake to think the only things that were involved were what we can see, or what HM condensed it down to in that post up there.

Well said, Larchmont. Indeed, there's more to the story than his recent political "showdowns" on the current spade of events.

[HondaMan]

Whoa, that is really harsh. Just because you say you are not going to be participating in this section they demodded you????

Yep!


Damn no consideration to atleast approach Jonathan ahead of a possible de-modding???

None!


I am farily new here, but I have been a long time member of many boards and a super moderator... Assistant Administrator on two other forums and have known and worked beside Hondaman as mods on ephatch.com

I think someone should reconsider such a move, Hondaman has proven time and time again to be a great mod.

Thank you! :thumbsup:

[HondaMan]

From a self resignation thread with a half-done attempt to justify what you did to a personal attack statement, absolutely ridiculous and only shows everyone why the decision on removing your moderator status isn’t a bad thing. This only substantiates the fact that you're exactly like what I said, immaturity at its very best.

I’d leave discretionary to the site owners/administrators to explain to you if any as to why you are no longer a moderator. Clearly that means something to you otherwise you wouldn’t have raised such a big fuss about this publicly. As for how long your service has been to this forum along with any relevant experience has neither meaning nor representation of my presence and position on TSXClub. Since you couldn’t comprehend why, I don’t see a need to explain myself either.

If you already knew this was coming, why get yourself in this predicament? Should you decide to make a comeback statement or significant comment, make sure it’s a smart one. Your forum experience and exposure will tell you this is going completely against you and it’s only getting uglier by the second. How you decide what sort of impression you want to leave is entirely up to you.

:russ: Good grief, you must like to hear yourself talk. I understood what this forum was all about long before you, but keep telling yourself you know best…you seem to be real good at that. You are questioning my maturity and moderator abilities….Please! You obviously don't know who you are talking to or know me. As advice from P-Raz's last post. You are truly laughable! Again what makes you think you are so special? Go back and reread my posts here & in the political forum...namely my so-called self resignation and why I made this a public matter...your conclusions are wrong...reading is fundamental Mr. Aussie. Was that smart enough for you? I guess you can go throw around your new found influence and push to have me banned. If that will reinforce your self-righteousness, so be it. :rotz:

[HondaMan]

Well said, Larchmont. Indeed, there's more to the story than his recent political "showdowns" on the current spade of events.

Wrong again...it all stemmed from the political crap'ola and nothing more than that was discussed in the private Mod forum before I was demoted...again reading is fundamental.

[Noel]

Good grief, you must like to hear yourself talk. I understood what this forum was all about long before you, but keep telling yourself you know best…you seem to be real good at that. You are questioning my maturity and moderator abilities….Please! You obviously don't know who you are talking to or know me. As advice from P-Raz's last post. You are truly laughable! Again what makes you think you are so special? Go back and reread my posts here & in the political forum...namely my so-called self resignation and why I made this a public matter...your conclusions are wrong...reading is fundamental Mr. Aussie. Was that smart enough for you? I guess you can go throw around your new found influence and push to have me banned. If that will reinforce your self-righteousness, so be it.

Clearly I’m starting to doubt your intellectual values, when I said you’re making a fool out of yourself. Yet you still wanna find justification that I’ve wronged you somewhere along the line.

This isn’t a problem of forum values or ideology conflicts but it’s your attitude and approach to how you’re trying to put yourself regardless of right or wrong. First when you’re seriously opposed in the Political forum, you try to barge your way through but that clearly didn’t work. So you started attacking other members like you’re doing to me when you have nothing better to say. And clearly this has to stop. Whether you like it or not, this drama ends right about the time you read this.

I’m not questioning your maturity, instead I am defining your maturity. Your moderator experience status clearly hasn’t brought you enough to understand that you can’t over-rule what the majority disagrees. I’m going to rein iterate, my presence and position on this forum has nothing to do with your ridiculous attitude. If you think I’m being a clown, so be it. I’m not expecting you to see pass your anger and hatred towards me.

BTW, if I haven’t read about what all this jargon of crap came from. I wouldn’t have singled BobD and now you out. We can keep this going on non-stop but it’s simply a rhetorical cycle of never ending slander from your end while I continue to put you in your place. So that you know while you continue to boil over what I have said to you. I happen to practice Corporate Law and manage approximately 100+ employees under my direct influence. I don’t think you want to get me started on influence and power. Forums and motoring is simply a hobby of mine, not a profession.