Who here votes to BAN harddrivin1le?

[jwaters943]

I want to start off by saying that I typically don't start threads like this. With that said, I think this board could/can be a valuable resource for information on the TSX and a place for Acura owners/enthusiasts to gather. Last time I checked this was an Acura TSX Forum. I'm just curious why these boards don't seem to have moderators and why harddrivin1le has been allowed to single handedly turn this board into one big argument AGAINST the TSX. There is more discussion on Chevys, Saturns and other misc. cars most of the people on this board have no interest in than the actual TSX itself.

Am I the only one that feels this board would be better off without harddrivin1le's so called "contributions"?

[Cam75]

Vote # 1

He brings down the whole board.

[sponge]

I'm tired of hearing him yammer on about the same subject. He had his say but can not shut up or even construct a response to any point other than acceleration or mpg. I say he should start his own site or a thread called "B*tch*n' Camaro."
Vote #2

[TeC]

You know I'm the first on this vote. I'd strangle him if I knew where he was.

[TeC]

Oops. Vote # 3. There. Got my vote in and put this thread at the top where everyone can see it.

[TSXray]

Well I must agree, that he does bring down many of the post here, and he continually post against the TSX. Alway posting things about its lack of power or MPG. He can never attack against the "Whole" car.

BUT if he continues then he's just a "Hater" and should be removed!

[NIGHTHAWK-TSX]

Votes #5 and #6:). Can I vote twice?:)

I agree with you guys. Enough is enough. The guy sounds like a broken record. More like a little child whinning about the same old thing. I really don't care for his OPINION. Just my 2 cents.

Thanks.

[Haris]

There no point. If you ban him, it's not like he can't reregister. Moderator or admin should just warn him if he's bothering whole board. If you ban him, he may reregister and post even more. lol. Good warning is a warning.

[dmghent]

Count my vote too. It is really discouraging to see his name as the most recent post ON EVRY SINGLE THREAD EVERY DAY. He has nothing better to do with his time than put down the TSX. I agree that we should just ignore him and not respond to any of his posts. There's always one in the bunch who has to ruin the fun for everybody else.

[jackzod]

ban the Troll plz , he brings nothing here but discord

[JuMpPeR]

Originally posted by Haris
There no point. If you ban him, it's not like he can't reregister. Moderator or admin should just warn him if he's bothering whole board. If you ban him, he may reregister and post even more. lol. Good warning is a warning.

I agreed. If he is stupid to realize that people dont buy TSX just for speed, then just let him go. Dont read or reply his post if you dont like it. Ignor him. C'mon, I still buy TSX even if Impala is 1sec faster from 0-60. Get real.

[sublime3sixteen]

I vote NOT to have him banned. This is the U.S. and he does bring up some good points (as hard as it is for me to admit that) Additionally I think this thread will show him how he bothers us at times so I HOPE he tones down. Harddrivin1le....just please tone down on the negativity and I think we can all be happy. I'll keep some thoughts to myself and you can do the same. Deal? Hope so

[Bolshoi125]

He should be BANNNED! In case he registered again as a diff user. Ban him too.

[thebullfrog]

I agree with sublimesixteen. DON'T ban him.

Ignore him.

We all think he's jerk. But he's entitled to his opinion. I hate how he expresses it -- but he's still entitled.

Think, though: he doesn't really flame, he's not crude, and he mostly responds to people in his single-idea threads. The worst he's done is written stuff we disagree with.

That doesn't mean we have to read or respond to his painfully simplistic notes.

How would you feel if your threads showed 0 responses and 0 views?

This sends a much better message.

Harddrivin? Harddrivin who?

[hondafreak4eva]

Originally posted by thebullfrog
I agree with sublimesixteen. DON'T ban him.

Ignore him.

We all think he's jerk. But he's entitled to his opinion. I hate how he expresses it -- but he's still entitled.

Think, though: he doesn't really flame, he's not crude, and he mostly responds to people in his single-idea threads. The worst he's done is written stuff we disagree with.

That doesn't mean we have to read or respond to his painfully simplistic notes.

How would you feel if your threads showed 0 responses and 0 views?

This sends a much better message.

Harddrivin? Harddrivin who?

i gotta agree with u on this one...

[Ray]

Originally posted by thebullfrog
I agree with sublimesixteen. DON'T ban him.

Ignore him.

We all think he's jerk. But he's entitled to his opinion. I hate how he expresses it -- but he's still entitled.

Think, though: he doesn't really flame, he's not crude, and he mostly responds to people in his single-idea threads. The worst he's done is written stuff we disagree with.

That doesn't mean we have to read or respond to his painfully simplistic notes.

How would you feel if your threads showed 0 responses and 0 views?

This sends a much better message.

Harddrivin? Harddrivin who?

Agreed!!! he has helped get the site going abit by responding to many posts although he may disagree with alot of things that does not mean this isnt a freedom of speech discussion forum :confused:

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by TeC
You know I'm the first on this vote. I'd strangle him if I knew where he was.

I have an idea!

Why don't you simply refute my claims with objective facts!;)

Then you can show everyone how stupid I am and how well you know your stuff! :)

[sadsac]

I am new to this forum as of a few days ago, and I was amazed at this guy. The sheer number of his posts in a forum that isn't even for his preferred type of car, suggests he may not have much of a life. It seems very sad to me, but let him type if it makes him happy. We all have choices to make, and I choose to skip over his posts.

Older and Wiser

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by sadsac
I am new to this forum as of a few days ago, and I was amazed at this guy. The sheer number of his posts in a forum that isn't even for his preferred type of car, suggests he may not have much of a life. It seems very sad to me, but let him type if it makes him happy. We all have choices to make, and I choose to skip over his posts.

Older and Wiser

Again, how about refraining from baseless personal attacks and CONFRONTING THE FACTS I bring to light?

Do you have the BRAINS to do that?:rolleyes:

The TRUTH is almost always unpopular. And because of that, people fearing the truth seek to silence it.:(

[NIGHTHAWK-TSX]

The TRUTH is that most of us know what the TSX is. Anyone who takes a test drive in one will also know despite what they advertise. We all stand by the decision we made.

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by NIGHTHAWK-TSX
The TRUTH is that most of us know what the TSX is. Anyone who takes a test drive in one will also know despite what they advertise. We all stand by the decision we made.

That's fine...Then why let other's posts bother you?:confused:

[tonyjang]

because this is where tsx enthusiast, future tsx owners come to read about the TSX. But instead you've single handedly littered the forums with your endless junk. arguing the same point over and over again. so please do us all a favor and shaddup. Once is enough, twice is okay...

[TSXray]

Originally posted by harddrivin1le
Again, how about refraining from baseless personal attacks and CONFRONTING THE FACTS I bring to light?

Do you have the BRAINS to do that?:rolleyes:

The TRUTH is almost always unpopular. And because of that, people fearing the truth seek to silence it.:(

You do bring up some facts but you always refuse to look at what others are saying. Every single one of your post are about MPG or why didn't they put in a V6?

You never did compare other cars with similar "quality" features. We TSX owners know that it's not the greatest when it comes to power and MPG, but it's not the only thing we bought it for. You never did refute or acknowedged that.

And a park avenue??? Common now! who here would buy that? Not me.....that's for retired old folks and PGA golfers. I don't care if it's better at MPG. It looks like crap. Why compare that?

Remember we didn't buy the TSX just for power and MPG. And Honda didn't sell it with the V6 so build a bridge and get over it.

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by TSXray
And a park avenue??? Common now! who here would buy that? Not me.....that's for retired old folks and PGA golfers. I don't care if it's better at MPG. It looks like crap. Why compare that?

That is PRECISELY why I bring up the Park Avenue!

It's NOT a performance car, it IS "for retired folks" and it's STILL AS FAST (std engine) or FASTER (optional engine) than the TSX (a.k.a. "Wall St. RACER").:D

Watch out for Grandpa in the Park Ave, 'cause it he's got a heavy foot he might just SMOKE you. ;)

[TSXray]

Originally posted by harddrivin1le
That is PRECISELY why I bring up the Park Avenue!

It's NOT a performance car, it IS "for retired folks" and it's STILL AS FAST (std engine) or FASTER (optional engine) than the TSX (a.k.a. "Wall St. RACER").:D

Watch out for Grandpa in the Park Ave, 'cause it he's got a heavy foot he might just SMOKE you. ;)

Have you not read any of the other post out there? In where many here have said that we don't care about power! Doesn't that get thru your thick skull???

Go ahead gramp's and smoke me....I'll be chill'n w/ a nice young lady next to me. See it isn't all about power in the hood. The Car looks good :cool: I get tons of people looking at the TSX all the time.

Plus it's a Honda, and there will be tons of aftermarket products later for it IF......power is what I'm looking for.

Get it now? Does that get thru to you? Me No Want Power.

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by TSXray
Me No Want Power.

Then save youself ~ $6,500 and buy an Accord EX/leather/4 cylinder 5 speed. :eek:

$1,000 worth of anti-roll bars and shocks will narrow the overall handling delta to near nill.

And a $400 "cat back" exhaust system will pick up ~ 7 DRIVE WHEEL HP.

The Accord's gas mileage is MUCH, MUCH better!

(26 city/34 highway on REGULAR (87 octane) unleaded!)

[TSXray]

Refinement. Now sit in both and you'll see the difference, But I seriously doubt you'll understand that. Besides I don't like the looks of the accord. That's why I didn't buy it.

Also if I wanted to mod the car I could but I wanted a decent comes as is package. Get it.

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by TSXray
Refinement. Now sit in both and you'll see the difference, But I seriously doubt you'll understand that. Besides I don't like the looks of the accord. That's why I didn't buy it.

Also if I wanted to mod the car I could but I wanted a decent comes as is package. Get it.

Pal, I could write a BOOK on "refinement."

The Accord COUPE is a nice looking car. And an Accord coupe with leather is a refined car. It's under-damped and need more rear anti-roll bar, but that's SOLELY to "justify" the Acura. People who know cars can "fix" the Accord's suspension for ~ $1K.

The 4 cylinder version of the Accord gets VASTLY better mileage than a TSX and it's damn near as fast for a LOT less money (true, out the door cost).

The 6 cylinder version (6 speed vs 6 speed) gets comparable mileage and is MUCH faster!:D

[JuMpPeR]

Originally posted by harddrivin1le
Then save youself ~ $6,500 and buy an Accord EX/leather/4 cylinder 5 speed. :eek:

$1,000 worth of anti-roll bars and shocks will narrow the overall handling delta to near nill.

And a $400 "cat back" exhaust system will pick up ~ 7 DRIVE WHEEL HP.

The Accord's gas mileage is MUCH, MUCH better!

(26 city/34 highway on REGULAR (87 octane) unleaded!)

You did it again. $6500 here, $5500 in another....make up your mind.

[JuMpPeR]

Originally posted by harddrivin1le
Pal, I could write a BOOK on "refinement."

The Accord COUPE is a nice looking car. And an Accord coupe with leather is a refined car. It's under-damped and need more rear anti-roll bar, but that's SOLELY to "justify" the Acura. People who know cars can "fix" the Accord's suspension for ~ $1K.

The 4 cylinder version of the Accord gets VASTLY better mileage than a TSX and it's damn near as fast for a LOT less money (true, out the door cost).

The 6 cylinder version (6 speed vs 6 speed) gets comparable mileage and is MUCH faster!:D

TSX is SEDAN. Some people need that 2 extra doors. If Honda brings in TSX as Accord 4 doors, I'll be the first to get it. I'm sorry (to all 2003 accord sedan owners), but US Accord sedan is ugly.

[TSXray]

Originally posted by harddrivin1le
Pal, I could write a BOOK on "refinement."

The Accord COUPE is a nice looking car. And an Accord coupe with leather is a refined car. It's under-damped and need more rear anti-roll bar, but that's SOLELY to "justify" the Acura. People who know cars can "fix" the Accord's suspension for ~ $1K.

Accord Coupe.....That's a four door. And there is a difference "Pal". The TSX is more refined than the Accord. Also I could easily upgrade the existing components but I didn't want to. Why should I? I shouldn't have to, and that now opens the arena for the TSX to get an upgrade. But out of the Lot is how it should be judged, not what you "could do".


Originally posted by harddrivin1le
The 4 cylinder version of the Accord gets VASTLY better mileage than a TSX and it's damn near as fast for a LOT less money (true, out the door cost).

The 6 cylinder version (6 speed vs 6 speed) gets comparable mileage and is MUCH faster!:D

Again.......I don't give a F^%K ok? Did I ever say that racing was what I plan on using it for? Does owning one automatically enroll me in some constant race with every single car there is out there? NO........I don't give a crap about that, and I sure many here agree. Thus the title of this post.

Is there any other "helpfull" tip or information that you could give? The car was built for "you" or "others" out there with a not so great motor. All your whining isn't gonna change that or all you post comparisons aren't either. What can you do to help this forum out? Other than compare the TSX with other cars in power or MPG? Help out or get out.

[JuMpPeR]

Originally posted by TSXray
Accord Coupe.....That's a four door. And there is a difference "Pal". The TSX is more refined than the Accord. Also I could easily upgrade the existing components but I didn't want to. Why should I? I shouldn't have to, and that now opens the arena for the TSX to get an upgrade. But out of the Lot is how it should be judged, not what you "could do".

I agreed. If I want a coupe, I wont be looking at TSX in the first place. I was going to buy Accord sedan EX-L with navi, but I cant stand the look of it (in and out). If Honda offers TSX as Accord sedan EX-L with US Accord set up plus 3-spoke steering wheel and sportshift auto, I'll get it with no problem. So, I just spent $4500 more and get Acura (better name too). Keep one thing in mind, If I get an Accord and spend $4500 on it, I still have an Accord, not Acura.


Is there any other "helpfull" tip or information that you could give? The car was built for "you" or "others" out there with a not so great motor. All your whining isn't gonna change that or all you post comparisons aren't either. What can you do to help this forum out? Other than compare the TSX with other cars in power or MPG? Help out or get out.

Yes, no car is perfect. Honda cant build a car for everybody taste. To Harddrivin1le, you dont like the power in TSX, dont get the car. I dont like the look of Accord, I get something else. What's the point of me going to Accord forums and b!tching about it. You already made your point, and we heard you. Why do you have to do it over and over again? It's not your job to tell people what they should get or not to get.

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by TSXray
Accord Coupe.....That's a four door. And there is a difference "Pal". The TSX is more refined than the Accord.

A COUPE is a 2 door! And their 2 door coupe has a decent back seat and is a very nice looking car.

If that's not sufficient for hauling passengers then they offer the FOUR DOOR SEDAN. (And if you plan on using your car as a taxi on a regular basis then you should shopping for something larger than the TSX to begin with.)

Please define the term, "more refined."

The 4 cyl/5 speed Accords are EPA rated @ 26 city/34 highway. Incredibly, the "more refined" TSX 6 speed, which uses the same BASIC engine and has one more gear is rated @ 21 city/29 highway. And the Accord runs on 87 octane while the TSX requires (more expensive) 91 plus.

I don't see the "refinement" in that.:eek:

[TSXray]

Originally posted by harddrivin1le
A COUPE is a 2 door! And their 2 door coupe has a decent back seat and is a very nice looking car.

Sorry I missed a word there, and yes it is a 2 door. But have you sat in the back of a Honda COUPE? I don't think so "Pal". There's enough room for two small children. And as far as looks, well in the Eye of the beholder is all I gotta say. But IMO TSX is better looking.

Originally posted by harddrivin1le
If that's not sufficient for hauling passengers then they offer the FOUR DOOR SEDAN. (And if you plan on using your car as a taxi on a regular basis then you should shopping for something larger than the TSX to begin with.)

Again the FOUR door looks Like crap. Again Have you sat in both cars yet? I don't think so.......Please do us a favor and atleast sit in them. If you test drive them then you'll see the difference. But knowing you I doubt you'll even give it props. Besides I'm sure the power and MPG will be ringing in your head while sitting in the TSX.


Originally posted by harddrivin1le Please define the term, "more refined."[/B]

"The result of refining; an improvement or elaboration. " There, happy? But you won't know this if you haven't really sat in one, and I don't mean looking at it on the net, I mean "real life" sitting and comparing.

Originally posted by harddrivin1le The 4 cyl/5 speed Accords are EPA rated @ 26 city/34 highway. Incredibly, the "more refined" TSX 6 speed, which uses the same BASIC engine and has one more gear is rated @ 21 city/29 highway. And the Accord runs on 87 octane while the TSX requires (more expensive) 91 plus.

I don't see the "refinement" in that.:eek: [/B]

Again, you pointed this out. Is that all you've got? Common now, really is that it? Dude you sound like a broken record now. Power and MPG's that's all you've got. Bring it "Pal". I know as well as others here believe that the TSX is still a better car.

Now if you want to talk power then go to another board. Cause this one isn't for you "Pal".

Besides, I've already been thru the racing phase. I had a R-33 Nissan Skyline GT-R with some mod's on it, when I lived in Japan. Now that was power! I'm sorry I don't know how many liters it got per kilo. But it handle nice on the mountains and it did 13's on the 1/4 in street mode. The best part of that was I paid only 50k in yen, plus some bottles of liquor. The dealer was a friend of mine.

This is getting old. It's fathers day and Happy fathers day to all.

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by TSXray
Sorry I missed a word there, and yes it is a 2 door. But have you sat in the back of a Honda COUPE? I don't think so "Pal". There's enough room for two small children. And as far as looks, well in the Eye of the beholder is all I gotta say. But IMO TSX is better looking.



Again the FOUR door looks Like crap. Again Have you sat in both cars yet? I don't think so.......Please do us a favor and atleast sit in them. If you test drive them then you'll see the difference. But knowing you I doubt you'll even give it props. Besides I'm sure the power and MPG will be ringing in your head while sitting in the TSX.




"The result of refining; an improvement or elaboration. " There, happy? But you won't know this if you haven't really sat in one, and I don't mean looking at it on the net, I mean "real life" sitting and comparing.



Again, you pointed this out. Is that all you've got? Common now, really is that it? Dude you sound like a broken record now. Power and MPG's that's all you've got. Bring it "Pal". I know as well as others here believe that the TSX is still a better car.

Now if you want to talk power then go to another board. Cause this one isn't for you "Pal".

Besides, I've already been thru the racing phase. I had a R-33 Nissan Skyline GT-R with some mod's on it, when I lived in Japan. Now that was power! I'm sorry I don't know how many liters it got per kilo. But it handle nice on the mountains and it did 13's on the 1/4 in street mode. The best part of that was I paid only 50k in yen, plus some bottles of liquor. The dealer was a friend of mine.

This is getting old. It's fathers day and Happy fathers day to all.

I've sat in both cars.

And the ~ $6,500 difference in ACTUAL COST (Accord EX/L 4 cyl/5 speed, which can be had for $500 over invoice any day of the week vs TSX, which can't) FAR outweighs the few extra amenities that the TSX has.

And the Accord gets MUCH better MPG on just 87 octane fuel!

Onto something new...

How many WATTS (clean and continuous) does the TSX's stereo put out?;)

[Ray]

[i]Besides, I've already been thru the racing phase. I had a R-33 Nissan Skyline GT-R with some mod's on it, when I lived in Japan. Now that was power! I'm sorry I don't know how many liters it got per kilo. But it handle nice on the mountains and it did 13's on the 1/4 in street mode. The best part of that was I paid only 50k in yen, plus some bottles of liquor. The dealer was a friend of mine.
[/B]

Damn man!!!!! I always wanted that car how much is 50k yen in U.S money? how much would it cost to import a car like that here? used.. ;)

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by tsxclub
Damn man!!!!! I always wanted that car how much is 50k yen in U.S money? how much would it cost to import a car like that here? used.. ;)

The good news is that you don't have to!

You can pick up a nice example of a used LS1 Camaro for ~ $12k. They run mid thirteens @ ~ 105 MPH BONE STOCK! And the 6 speeds were rated @ 19 city/28 highway; headers and cat back system will IMPROVE on those figures (performance AND fuel economy).

And they can EASILY get into the twelves @ 108 plus MPH with simple BOLT ONS! :D

The Neon SRT-4 is also a mover; the 1/4 mile ET (~ 14.2) is misleading because the car has front drive and an open diff. It therefore has traction issues @ launch. Guys have gotten them into the upper 13s with cheater slicks alone.:eek:

[TSXray]

50K Yen converted it was like $7,500 for the Skyline, plus of course the bottles of Blue lable and other high priced liquors. The best part of that was, the Japanese people were really cool. Some of the guys there loved americans and if I gave them some american items ie...Levis, video tapes, recorded shows from home. Things like that they would give me parts for my car. You won't believe what their junkyards have. They throw away good almost brand new gear, parts, and rims away like it was nothing. I'll try to find some pics of the car. If I'd stay longer my total investment would've been like 10k U.S. and I'd have it in the 12's no problem.

[TSXray]

Originally posted by harddrivin1le
I've sat in both cars.

And the ~ $6,500 difference in ACTUAL COST (Accord EX/L 4 cyl/5 speed, which can be had for $500 over invoice any day of the week vs TSX, which can't) FAR outweighs the few extra amenities that the TSX has.

And the Accord gets MUCH better MPG on just 87 octane fuel!

Onto something new...

How many WATTS (clean and continuous) does the TSX's stereo put out?;)

New huh? Well It says 360watts from bose, but I still want more:D But for the most part it does fine. I don't know how many "clean and continuous" watts it produces.

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by TSXray
50K Yen converted it was like $7,500 for the Skyline, plus of course the bottles of Blue lable and other high priced liquors. The best part of that was, the Japanese people were really cool. Some of the guys there loved americans and if I gave them some american items ie...Levis, video tapes, recorded shows from home. Things like that they would give me parts for my car. You won't believe what their junkyards have. They throw away good almost brand new gear, parts, and rims away like it was nothing. I'll try to find some pics of the car. If I'd stay longer my total investment would've been like 10k U.S. and I'd have it in the 12's no problem.

That's a lot of performance for the money.

A used '98/'99 LS1 F-body can deliver that same level of performance for the same money....

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by TSXray
New huh? Well It says 360watts from bose, but I still want more:D But for the most part it does fine. I don't know how many "clean and continuous" watts it produces.

That's 360 PEAK (not RMS) watts.

The speakers are PIONEERS; what's B(L)OSE have to do with it?

I don't see BLOSE mentioned in this link to the TSX audio system:

http://www.acura.com/models/model_comfort_audio.asp?module=tsx

Check the print on the bottom of your rear PIONEER speakers (in the trunk.) They are rated for 30 continuous watts MAX. The TRUE clean, RMS rating on the TSX system is undoubtedly in the neighborhood of ~ 120 watts.

Guys over on "the other" TSX site are already discussing replacing the entire system...

See, anyone who's INTO audio is going to replace the factory system, regardless of whether they buy an Accord or a TSX. :D

That's another argument for buying the Accord; why spend more money for a system you're going to replace?

[tsxer1]

Hello fellow TSXers I'm picking up my Meteor Silver TSX w/Navi in 7-10 days. Wanted to see what was going on in the forum world and I guess I'll be looking elsewhere. You guys really need to drag this guy away from his computer and beat him with a bat full of rusty nails, not ban him, after all these posts he still doesn't get it. My cue to leave came when this guy brought up american cars... Pontiac? Please......see ya suckers

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by tsxer1
Hello fellow TSXers I'm picking up my Meteor Silver TSX w/Navi in 7-10 days. Wanted to see what was going on in the forum world and I guess I'll be looking elsewhere. You guys really need to drag this guy away from his computer and beat him with a bat full of rusty nails, not ban him, after all these posts he still doesn't get it. My cue to leave came when this guy brought up american cars... Pontiac? Please......see ya suckers

But the Pontiac GTP IS FASTER than your TSX!

You need to face that fact.

And a Chevy Impala with the Normally aspirated 3.8 liter V6 is AS FAST and gets comparable mileage.:eek:

So go ahead and laugh...They'll be laughing when your engine is buzzing away @ ~ 4,000 RPM on the highway while you tell yourself how "efficient" it is.:D

[sublime3sixteen]

He called you sucker...ha.

[TeC]

Gotta love the small engines. 3.8 liter is ONLY as fast as a 2.4 liter TSX?? Those crappy domestics always need 1 extra liter displacement to equate. Show me some domestics that perform as well as their import counterparts with = displacement and no turbo/supercharge.

You won't find many, because as harddrivin says.. the domestic motors are LOW TECH. Come on big three, put some research into your stuff before you all become fossilized motor companies.

Originally posted by harddrivin1le
But the Pontiac GTP IS FASTER than your TSX!

You need to face that fact.

And a Chevy Impala with the Normally aspirated 3.8 liter V6 is AS FAST and gets comparable mileage.:eek:

So go ahead and laugh...They'll be laughing when your engine is buzzing away @ ~ 4,000 RPM on the highway while you tell yourself how "efficient" it is.:D

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by TeC
Gotta love the small engines. 3.8 liter is ONLY as fast as a 2.4 liter TSX?? Those crappy domestics always need 1 extra liter displacement to equate. Show me some domestics that perform as well as their import counterparts with = displacement and no turbo/supercharge.

You won't find many, because as harddrivin says.. the domestic motors are LOW TECH. Come on big three, put some research into your stuff before you all become fossilized motor companies.

Who cares about DISPLACEMENT on the street?

Power and fuel economy are what matter because there is no SANCTIONING BODY limiting displacement.

A 405 HP (5.7 liter/pushrod V8)/ 6 speed Z06 is EPA rated @ 19 city/28 highway.

The TSX 6 speed manages just 2 more in the city and 1 more on the highway, but makes LESS THAN HALF the horsepower and even LESS torque! :rolleyes:

I fail to see the "high tech" on the part of the TSX.

All I see is a small 4 cylinder engine that's cheap to build and has to have the snot revved out of it to make any POWER because it has NO TORQUE.:p

Compare the "high tech" Acura NSX to the "low tech" Z06 Corvette. The 'Vette is nearly half the price, gets better mileage and will BLOW THE DOORS off of the NSX.:eek:

[GT-40MarkIV]

As regarding the NSX vs the ZO6, did you know most of the price that you pay for a NSX, comes from the fact that it is hand build, and modeled. As for the Z06, they are made in a factory setting. It may not get as good mileage, speed, or anything but it is totally hand made.

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by GT-40MarkIV
As regarding the NSX vs the ZO6, did you know most of the price that you pay for a NSX, comes from the fact that it is hand build, and modeled. As for the Z06, they are made in a factory setting. It may not get as good mileage, speed, or anything but it is totally hand made.

Yep, it is...

And it (NSX) is also a higher quality car in many ways.

But the fact of the matter is that a mass produced, ~ $50K car which uses an "inefficient" 2 valve/pushrod, 5.7 liter V8 OUTPERFORMS the hand-built TSX and also gets SIGNIFICANTLY better fuel economy.:D

[GT-40MarkIV]

Yes, I can see that...and I believe you were refering to the NSX, of which I was talking about...but all in all, I'd like to own a NSX because of how many people own them. They are rare to see around, where as you can find a Corvette almost everywhere.

I dually note that the performance, is not there and the fuel economy...but to me the NSX has more to offer than shear performance.

You brought up some good facts, but my mind is made up. :D

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by GT-40MarkIV
Yes, I can see that...and I believe you were refering to the NSX, of which I was talking about...but all in all, I'd like to own a NSX because of how many people own them. They are rare to see around, where as you can find a Corvette almost everywhere.

I dually note that the performance, is not there and the fuel economy...but to me the NSX has more to offer than shear performance.

You brought up some good facts, but my mind is made up. :D

I like the NSX. :D

The money (~ $90K for a new one) is just WAY beyond my budget.

On the other hand, a LIGHTLY used, ~ 3 year old C% Corvette is well within my budget...

If I had ~ $90K to blow on a car I'd order a new 911/6 speed.;)

[sjlee]

Originally posted by harddrivin1le
A COUPE is a 2 door! And their 2 door coupe has a decent back seat and is a very nice looking car.

If that's not sufficient for hauling passengers then they offer the FOUR DOOR SEDAN. (And if you plan on using your car as a taxi on a regular basis then you should shopping for something larger than the TSX to begin with.)

Please define the term, "more refined."

The 4 cyl/5 speed Accords are EPA rated @ 26 city/34 highway. Incredibly, the "more refined" TSX 6 speed, which uses the same BASIC engine and has one more gear is rated @ 21 city/29 highway. And the Accord runs on 87 octane while the TSX requires (more expensive) 91 plus.

I don't see the "refinement" in that.:eek:

Again, you're talking in subjective terms again... the Accord is "nice looking" to you.... others have differing opinions.

Comparing the Accord EX 4-cylinder sedan with the TSX is like comparing the Accord EX V6 with the TL/CL. Comparably equipped, the Hondas will be less expensive, but have less HP and torque. In addition, although comparably equipped, the Acuras interiors will be higher quality than the Hondas.

Comparing the Accord EX V6 sedan with the TSX is comparing apples and oranges. Two different cars in two different classes and target audiences. That's taking a family sedan and comparing it to an entry-level luxury sport sedan. The Accord will have a softer suspension (for comfort) at the expense of handling.

"Refinement" has NOTHING to do with gas mileage.

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by sjlee
Again, you're talking in subjective terms again... the Accord is "nice looking" to you.... others have differing opinions.

Comparing the Accord EX 4-cylinder sedan with the TSX is like comparing the Accord EX V6 with the TL/CL. Comparably equipped, the Hondas will be less expensive, but have less HP and torque. In addition, although comparably equipped, the Acuras interiors will be higher quality than the Hondas.

Comparing the Accord EX V6 sedan with the TSX is comparing apples and oranges. Two different cars in two different classes and target audiences. That's taking a family sedan and comparing it to an entry-level luxury sport sedan. The Accord will have a softer suspension (for comfort) at the expense of handling.

"Refinement" has NOTHING to do with gas mileage.

The TSX 6 speed isn't MUCH quicker than the 4 cylinder/5 speed Accord. And that Accord gets MUCH better mileage on CHEAPER (87 octane) gasoline.

And the TSX 6 speed is a LOT SLOWER than the V6/6 speed Accord. And THAT Accord gets the same mileage on cheaper gasoline!

Question: Why is the "family sedan" (Accord V6) faster than the "entry level luxury sport sedan" (TSX)?:confused:

BTW: I can make the V6 Accord ~ handle like the TSX for $1,000 worth of shocks and anti-roll bars.

What's it going to cost me to make the TSX ACCELERATE like the V6 Accord?:confused:

[sjlee]

Originally posted by harddrivin1le
The TSX 6 speed isn't MUCH quicker than the 4 cylinder/5 speed Accord. And that Accord gets MUCH better mileage on CHEAPER (87 octane) gasoline.

And the TSX 6 speed is a LOT SLOWER than the V6/6 speed Accord. And THAT Accord gets the same mileage on cheaper gasoline!

Question: Why is the "family sedan" (Accord V6) faster than the "entry level luxury sport sedan" (TSX)?:confused:

BTW: I can make the V6 Accord ~ handle like the TSX for $1,000 worth of shocks and anti-roll bars.

What's it going to cost me to make the TSX ACCELERATE like the V6 Accord?:confused:

The Civic also gets better mileage than them both... so what?

Again, the TSX 6-speed is a SEDAN, not a COUPE like the Accord EX V6.

Answer to your question... because the Accord V6 has a more powerful engine.... simple as that.

Is that $1000 for parts or does that also include labor? If so, who are you going to get to install these parts for that price?

Bottom line: You have to modify the Accord to handle like the TSX does right off the showroom floor.

Not everyone wants or needs the TSX to out-accelerate the Accord.

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by sjlee
Again, the TSX 6-speed is a SEDAN, not a COUPE like the Accord EX V6.

Bottom line: You have to modify the Accord to handle like the TSX does right off the showroom floor.


If you plan on using your TSX for TAXI DUTY then you should consider a larger car. The Accord coupe has a decent enough back seat for occasional use, just like the TSX.

Bottom line: You'll have to turbo/super-charge the TSX to get it to GO like the V6 Accord goes, right off the showroom floor. And that's a LOT MORE expensive proposition than changing out the shocks and anti-roll bars (in the Accord), parts to parts and labor to labor.

You're probably talking ~ $250 labor to get the shocks and anti-roll bars changed out. BFD.

[Maurice]

OMG I can't take this!!! Please. This is freakin unbelieveable. I can't stand being on this forum. I am going to ban myself.:( :(

I'll come back when harddrivin1le has found a different forum to piss off.

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by Maurice
OMG I can't take this!!! Please. This is freakin unbelieveable. I can't stand being on this forum. I am going to ban myself.:( :(

I'll come back when harddrivin1le has found a different forum to piss off.

Tell me about that HUGE torque you mentioned the other day....

What was it - 140 to 166 lb-ft?

My Z28 makes more than that @ IDLE.

[sjlee]

Originally posted by harddrivin1le
If you plan on using your TSX for TAXI DUTY then you should consider a larger car. The Accord coupe has a decent enough back seat for occasional use, just like the TSX.

Bottom line: You'll have to turbo/super-charge the TSX to get it to GO like the V6 Accord goes, right off the showroom floor. And that's a LOT MORE expensive proposition than changing out the shocks and anti-roll bars (in the Accord), parts to parts and labor to labor.

You're probably talking ~ $250 labor to get the shocks and anti-roll bars changed out. BFD.

Taxi duty? Please. How about the convenience of everyone being able to get in the car at once instead of folding the seats forward?

Again, you bring up having to modify the car to make it handle like the TSX. You can spend as much or as little modifying a car... we're talking stock here.

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by sjlee
Taxi duty? Please. How about the convenience of everyone being able to get in the car at once instead of folding the seats forward?

Again, you bring up having to modify the car to make it handle like the TSX. You can spend as much or as little modifying a car... we're talking stock here.

But STOCK, the V6 Accord coupe is MUCH FASTER.

And the Accord SEDANS offer more room than the TSX.

It seems to me that an Accord EX sedan with the 5 speed auto would be the way to go for you. You can get them for ~ $1,500 off MSRP and use that $1,500 to "fix" the suspension.

[sjlee]

Originally posted by harddrivin1le
But STOCK, the V6 Accord coupe is MUCH FASTER.

And the Accord SEDANS offer more room than the TSX.

It seems to me that an Accord EX sedan with the 5 speed auto would be the way to go for you. You can get them for ~ $1,500 off MSRP and use that $1,500 to "fix" the suspension.

Again, it may be faster, but it also only is a COUPE and doesn't have the standard features the TSX offers.

The Accord sedan is not offered with a manual tranny, plus I don't want to have to modify the car to get the handling.

[jwaters943]

Okay, I give up. This is my final post here, I'm suprised I was able to make it to 5. I started this topic to gather opinions and the majority agree hardrivinls1 should be banned. Some argue that he is entitled to "free speach", but he doesn't have a god given right to be a member of this board. I, as an American have free speach, but that doesn't mean I can come into work and verbally harass my boss and not expect to get fired for it. He's managed to hijack the entire forum with his insipid diatribe and the moderators and other "powers that be" seem too willing to let him. So be it...I'm just glad there is a better board for TSX owners/enthusiasts out there.

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by sjlee
Again, it may be faster, but it also only is a COUPE and doesn't have the standard features the TSX offers.

The Accord sedan is not offered with a manual tranny, plus I don't want to have to modify the car to get the handling.

The Accord V6 SEDAN isn't a bad handling car STOCK.

And premium dampers/larger anti-roll bars are an EASY/relatively inexpensive mod.

And in real terms (which isn't limited to "0 - 60") , the Accord EX V6/5 speed auto is AT LEAST AS FAST as the TSX/6 speed. It also has a LARGER INTERIOR and gets comparable mileage (on 87 vs. 91 plus octane).

[JuMpPeR]

Originally posted by jwaters943
I'm just glad there is a better board for TSX owners/enthusiasts out there.

Dont tell him, he might fellow you there. :D

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by JuMpPeR
Dont tell him, he might fellow you there. :D

Yeah, that's the board where people who UNDERSTAND STEREOS realize that Acura is attemting to bamboozle its customers.

I've already posted excerpts from that site on the "TSX STEREO DOESN'T HAVE 360 WATTS" post.:rolleyes:

[JuMpPeR]

Originally posted by harddrivin1le
Yeah, that's the board where people who UNDERSTAND STEREOS realize that Acura is attemting to bamboozle its customers.

I've already posted excerpts from that site on the "TSX STEREO DOESN'T HAVE 360 WATTS" post.:rolleyes:

Good, why dont you just stay there? Or try www.bimmer.org. Tell those people how 325i is a rip off because SRT/4 can smoke it for near half of the price. Or better yet, tell them to buy LS1 Z28 instead of M3, just as fast for half the money. I'm sure they'll be happy to read your post on how Z06 is faster, cheaper, and saves more gas than M5 or Z8.

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by JuMpPeR
Good, why dont you just stay there? Or try www.bimmer.org. Tell those people how 325i is a rip off because SRT/4 can smoke it for near half of the price. Or better yet, tell them to buy LS1 Z28 instead of M3, just as fast for half the money. I'm sure they'll be happy to read your post on how Z06 is faster, cheaper, and saves more gas than M5 or Z8.

Z28s are no longer being built.

I've tried telling SEVERAL BMW owners (in person and on websites) that various F-bodies and Corvettes will TORCH their "ultimate driving machines." Most don't WANT to believe it and therefore DON'T.

[JuMpPeR]

Originally posted by harddrivin1le
Z28s are no longer being built.

I've tried telling SEVERAL BMW owners (in person and on websites) that various F-bodies and Corvettes will TORCH their "ultimate driving machines." Most don't WANT to believe it and therefore DON'T.

They can buy a used one for MUCH cheaper . UH, most of us here dont WANT to believe it and therefore DONT. Maybe it's time for you to move on to either Lexus or Audi forums. It's nice knowing you. BYE.

[TSXray]

Well this will be my last post. I'm going over to the "other" forum now. He hasn't helped at all. Goes over the same crap day after day. Tries to tell us that you could mod up cars to out perform the TSX, then he says that you could get the same performance from a camaro than a GTR R-33! I6 vs. V8???

Dude please do us a favor and get out! You're so hated here

[sublime3sixteen]

LOL HE IS COMPARING FORDS TO BMW's? Whoa someone here is trailer trash.

[harddrivin1le]

Originally posted by TSXray
Well this will be my last post. I'm going over to the "other" forum now. He hasn't helped at all. Goes over the same crap day after day. Tries to tell us that you could mod up cars to out perform the TSX, then he says that you could get the same performance from a camaro than a GTR R-33! I6 vs. V8???

Dude please do us a favor and get out! You're so hated here

So what if it's a V8?

It's no heavier than that I-6 and it gets BETTER mileage! You can't blame Chevrolet for Nissan's failure to capitalzie on the advantages of a pushrod V8.

What sanctioning body limits displacement on the street?

Answer: NONE

[jackzod]

Originally posted by harddrivin1le
A COUPE is a 2 door! And their 2 door coupe has a decent back seat and is a very nice looking car.

Now try to put children seats in a coupe....You see people have different needs than you, is that too hard to understand ?????
I guess so cos you spitting the same s**t on and on, regardless of what the people says...You see you've managed to turn a thread on banning you into another MPG/power thread....:mad: :mad:

[jackzod]

Originally posted by JuMpPeR
Dont tell him, he might fellow you there. :D

They'll ban him there without hesitating, BTW harddrivin are you beingis300 reincarnated...(for those who are going into some "other "place).

[Ray]

well I am very understanding and did not want it to come to this but many of you are really upset so harddrivin1le is banned.

[Maurice]

Thank you, now maybe we can enjoy ourselves and talk about our TSX.

[sjlee]

Hey TeC... now that "hard" has been "destroyed"... you're going to have to change your signature... maybe something like "Destroyer of harddrivin1le"?

[TSXray]

YEAH! This is awesome, that haters gone now. So I'm coming back baby!

[sublime3sixteen]

This place already seems more peaceful and enjoying.

[TSXray]

I read the other site and they didn't give him a break at all. Just killed him in his tracks........

Tsxclub: I understand where you're coming from but it's for the greater good.

[sublime3sixteen]

What other site?

[TSXray]

*******.com is the first site I was on, but I like the atmosphere here.

[GT-40MarkIV]

Can't say that I miss him, but he did create some good controversy for a while, until he rambled on about the same thing day in day out.

I back up TSXCLUB'S decision 100%

[Ray]

I will do what ever makes the members happy here just suggest it :D

[swami]

I was an accessory to the killing...It was awesome. I had to quit coming here because of him...Is he really banned? If so that was a solid move. I come here to read about the TSX, not every car that's faster.

[Ray]

Originally posted by swami
I was an accessory to the killing...It was awesome. I had to quit coming here because of him...Is he really banned? If so that was a solid move. I come here to read about the TSX, not every car that's faster. Yep he is banned cannot post anymore. :(

[rAiN]

tsxclub..

i think you need partner

[ssmtsx]

this is just a test..


www.*******.com

[ssmtsx]

ok, tsx club..why is edited out?:confused:

[rAiN]

donst you get it ssmtsx?

tsxclub does not like that site.. and does not want people to go there...

[Ray]

Well there is a reoson why I dont like it. The admins there dont care about their site just opened it to make money on it and they came here for like 3 weeks pming our users telling them to go there and this site sux. Aswell as posting things like "homos" ect.. Take a look at acura-tsx you think it was hacked accidentally??

[larchmont]

Wow. Just discovered this old and buried thread. The way I found it.....
I looked to see who are this site's "Top 10 Posters." And I saw this guy that I never heard of. And I see he was doing a million posts a day for about a month and then disappeared. No great loss, because the posts were mostly crap, and redundant obnoxious crap. But I wondered why his posting just stopped, then I found this thread.

No need to read it although it does have some pretty rapid drama. Basically everybody said they were sick of this guy, and a few people said they were leaving the site on account of him. The admins were trying hard to be lenient but they saw that this dude was just too much and so he was banned.

Some other interesting history in this thread: A couple of people talk about there being a "better" site -- they were talking about Club TSX, which collapsed just 2 weeks later. By the way, apparently this banned member went over there and was banned there too. I think I know who he was over there, although at the time I didn't know he had a history here. I sort of defended him (I'll defend almost anybody, really) but applauded the mods when they banned him.

Interesting history. And I think you'd have to say this site survived the situation nicely.
Well-handled, I think.

[sjlee]

Originally posted by larchmont
Wow. Just discovered this old and buried thread. The way I found it.....
I looked to see who are this site's "Top 10 Posters." And I saw this guy that I never heard of. And I see he was doing a million posts a day for about a month and then disappeared. No great loss, because the posts were mostly crap, and redundant obnoxious crap. But I wondered why his posting just stopped, then I found this thread.

No need to read it although it does have some pretty rapid drama. Basically everybody said they were sick of this guy, and a few people said they were leaving the site on account of him. The admins were trying hard to be lenient but they saw that this dude was just too much and so he was banned.

Some other interesting history in this thread: A couple of people talk about there being a "better" site -- they were talking about Club TSX, which collapsed just 2 weeks later. By the way, apparently this banned member went over there and was banned there too. I think I know who he was over there, although at the time I didn't know he had a history here. I sort of defended him (I'll defend almost anybody, really) but applauded the mods when they banned him.

Interesting history. And I think you'd have to say this site survived the situation nicely.
Well-handled, I think.

Yeah, I tried to reason with him on all his arguments, but on valid points, he'd refuse to acknowledge it... he'd just harp on the HP/$ over and over until it got old. Plus he'd hijack just about every thread.

By the way, I'm a member of those other sites as well (but I don't frequent them as much as this place). What was his handle there? It'd be funny to see how far his lame posts got him.

[larchmont]

Originally posted by sjlee
.....What was his handle there? It'd be funny to see how far his lame posts got him.
I would too, but actually, as I think about it.....I was probably thinking of a different thing, later on, on yet another site.
It's quite possible that was the same person too, because as I remember it, they do sort of match. But it wasn't Club TSX and it wasn't in June; it was a-tsx.com and probably around early October. I don't exactly remember the handle, something like "SouthernCalOdysseus," maybe that's exactly it.

Some people on here thought harddrivin was "BeingIS300" from Club TSX, who was banned there in early June (a couple of weeks before this). But I don't think it's likely that was the same person, unless he had a nervous breakdown or something like that in between, because BeingIS300 had a lot more variety in his posts and usually said stuff that was valid and interesting.

[sjlee]

Originally posted by larchmont
I would too, but actually, as I think about it.....I was probably thinking of a different thing, later on, on yet another site.
It's quite possible that was the same person too, because as I remember it, they do sort of match. But it wasn't Club TSX and it wasn't in June; it was a-tsx.com and probably around early October. I don't exactly remember the handle, something like "SouthernCalOdysseus," maybe that's exactly it.

Some people on here thought harddrivin was "BeingIS300" from Club TSX, who was banned there in early June (a couple of weeks before this). But I don't think it's likely that was the same person, unless he had a nervous breakdown or something like that in between, because BeingIS300 had a lot more variety in his posts and usually said stuff that was valid and interesting.

Nah, that wasn't harddrivin... he would've continued yapping about how his Camaro gets great gas mileage on highway, yet blows away the TSX.

[GRAYTSX]

I remember this person always posting on here, comparing everything everyone said to some american car. Then when he was banned he went right over to the other site & was banned immediately when someone posted a link to this site. Good move.
Why someone would waste their time posting arguments constantly is beyond me.

[larchmont]

Originally posted by GRAYTSX
I remember this person always posting on here, comparing everything everyone said to some american car. Then when he was banned he went right over to the other site & was banned immediately when someone posted a link to this site. Good move....
Did he use the same name over there? I don't recognize the name from anywhere else.

[GRAYTSX]

Originally posted by larchmont
Did he use the same name over there? I don't recognize the name from anywhere else.

Yea, he did.

[netoperek]

I didnt recall all of his posts, but he did seem kind of intelligent am I right? Anyway ban the ****er.

[larchmont]

Originally posted by netoperek
.....ban the ****er.
I have bad news and good news.

The bad news is it's too late, it was over 8 months ago.

The good news is he was banned. :D

[dnb]

Originally posted by larchmont
The bad news is it's too late, it was over 8 months ago.

The good news is he was banned.
Fro some reason the above reminds me of an excerpt from an actual essay: "(Benjamin) Franklin died in 1790 and is still dead."

For more details and humor, see The World According to Student Bloopers. (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%2B%22Benjamin+Franklin%22+%2Bdead+%2Bhis tory+%2Bcollection&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=%2229-Apr-92.20:15:17.PDT%22.*.Henry_Cate_III.OSBU_North%40X erox.com&rnum=10)

[larchmont]

Originally posted by dnb
Fro some reason the above reminds me of an excerpt from an actual essay: "(Benjamin) Franklin died in 1790 and is still dead."

For more details and humor, see The World According to Student Bloopers. (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%2B%22Benjamin+Franklin%22+%2Bdead+%2Bhis tory+%2Bcollection&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=%2229-Apr-92.20:15:17.PDT%22.*.Henry_Cate_III.OSBU_North%40X erox.com&rnum=10)
Thanks for the link, DNB -- I've seen stuff like that before but wouldn't have known where to find it.

Since I'm in a music mood, my eyes settled on this part:

Bach was the most famous composer in the world, and so was Handel.
Handel was half German, half Italian and half English. He was very large.
Bach died from 1750 to the present.
Beethoven wrote music even though he was deaf. He was so deaf he wrote loud music.


BTW that last one might actually be partly true, but that's another story.....