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MemphisRheins
12-03-2004, 02:23 PM
Hey guys, Brought the comptech Springs, so now i need a camber kit, I was wondering If anyone knows where I can get one for a good price...been told the Ingals kit sells for 179...which is 20$ less then i got the damn springs for in the first place...so that seems a bit high for a 2 inch adjustible peice of metal...
That's not expensive. And in all honestly, you don't really need camber adjustement unless you're running serious negative camber or undistributed/even camber on the rear.
MemphisRheins
12-04-2004, 02:35 PM
from the pictures ive seen of the Comptech drop, the rear wheels look fairly off /-\ kinda like that instead of|-| not to that degree, but I dont wanna go through tires because of uneven wear...
Also I have maybe 400$ to my name right now....and Im gonna have to pay this guy 100$ to use his shop so i can install the springs in the first place
Edit: Attached photos from other forum...of car W/ Comptech suspension
Seems like it would need a camber...dont think the TSX can straiten the rear wheels, being FWD
That looks like an approximate -2.5 camber. If you don't need the camber, then get a kit to get it dialed to your required degree. I personally run a -2.8 camber using tension rods to get more negative camber instead of less.
MemphisRheins
12-04-2004, 06:37 PM
okay, then in that case do u have uneven tire wear, if so how severe.... just trying to figure out if its worth spending all my money
How would you define uneven? If you're asking me if you get uneven tyre wear across the tyre contact patch then in short, the more negative camber you dial, the more it's going to wear from inside out regardless how you drive. This is done to increase tyre contact patch particularly during cornering when the weight transfers from one side of the car to the other.
If you're not particular or interested in changing your vehicle's handling. Get a camber kit and dial it as close as zero or negative -0.5 to maximize straight/flat tyre contact patch instead.
MemphisRheins
12-05-2004, 07:22 PM
Well I want to maximise handiling i just dont wanna shoot right though tires.... understand?
would the -2.5 camber negitively affect tirewear to a large degree, and improve handiling that much?
Btw i like ur new Aviator...
Unfortunately there's no best of both worlds especially in alot of aspects of vehicle tuning.
You can either have maximized handling capabilities on what your car can produce or you can run an economized tyre wear setup.
-2.5 will chew tyres, make no mistakes about that. That is the price to pay for the improved handling.
Andynolife
12-06-2004, 12:26 AM
btw .... TSX"s stock tires r hard to wear out compare to the performance tires out there .. ~ so if u still running ur stock tires .. ~ i wont worry abt it .. ~
MemphisRheins
12-06-2004, 09:49 PM
Thanks alot guys, some people on the other forums mentioned that the Acura Techs can get the rear camber to about a -1.8.... durring the alignment...so I figured if i get that, Should still help handiling, and because the TSX stock alignment allows for up to a -1.5 rear camber, something around 1.8 should be fine
That information is incorrect and highly impossible. This car has no factory camber adjustment so there's no way they can change the camber without an aftermarket camber kit regardless how you lower or raise it. Bottom line, you need a camber kit to dial the degree/angle to whatever required.
Shitzu
12-07-2004, 02:22 AM
Hey Guys,
I have my TSX dropped with the DF210 Tanabe springs, the rear is cambering
-3. Andynolife is right about how good the stock tires last, cause I drove a year with it and the rear tires were balding alot better than the other tires out there, but the only thing that sucks with the stock tires is that it really doesn't grip to well when you slam on your brakes.
Negative camber affects braking distance, there is in theory less tyre/contact patch on surface. But having bald or low thread tyres would have a greater effect.
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MemphisRheins
12-07-2004, 02:09 PM
Thanks for the information guys, just refering to my earlier post, incase it was my mistake in what i typed, heres a copy of the other post
"My A-spec suspension is fully settled, so I brought it in today for an alignment. One thing this shows is that the rear camber is adjustable, to a degree. The amount of rear camber is fixed, be it can be shifted from one side to the other by loosening the bolts that hold the carriage and moving the carriage to one side or the other. My car ended up at -1.7 left and right, which is not enough (for me, anyway) to warrant a camber kit. It is .2 degrees out of spec. Everything else lined up well within spec. I only drove it a couple miles so far; I'll give more feedback after I get a chance to push it a little."
MemphisRheins
12-07-2004, 02:11 PM
That is not entirely true- thrust line CAN be out enough to cause a vehicle to dog track. This is more typical with toe, however, it can happen when cross camber is an issue.
Well, let me rephrase then. MY out of whack rear camber had no affect on tracking. I put around 400 miles on the car and the car didn't drift left or right, could roll miles on straight highways without touching the wheel. Coupled with improved handling, I really felt the settings were pretty close to factory spec, and they were.
Quote:
was it powered by a hamster in a wheel chasing a cheeto?
Ummm, I think it was a Dorito.
It was done at the dealer, just like the install. I called a couple of shops that have "state-of-the-art" alignment machines, but when I asked about adjusting the rear camber on the TSX, they told me there was no way they could change it. The guy at the dealer, however, knew the trick about moving the carriage. So while I may have had a hamster powering the
Dutch
12-07-2004, 03:25 PM
In theorie the handling of the car would be better with some negative camber. When you lower the TSX only the rear camber seems to change, the front camber stays at 0.
I have found that my car tends to understear more than before. Which is logical because there is more grip in the back of the car.
After installing my SPC camber kit I will get the car aligned at a specialised garage, which has a lot of experience on te racetrack.
Shitzu
12-07-2004, 09:42 PM
Negative camber affects braking distance, there is in theory less tyre/contact patch on surface. But having bald or low thread tyres would have a greater effect.
Even when my car was stock, the braking still sucked. I just got 19s on the car now, and those tires grip better than the stocks.
virtualbong
02-18-2005, 10:21 AM
Man, this is all started to confuse me. So I need the advice from the pros. If I do end up getting the Eibach Pro Kit, should I get the Ingalls Rear Camber Kit right away or should I install the springs, then bring it to the Tire Shop and get it aligned to see how bad the camber is. And THEN get the rear camber kit if its more than a certain amount? And how much negative camber would warrant a camber kit? I know this is more of a preference but lets say that if I were to rate between handling and tire wear it would be 30/70 in favor of tire wear instead of handling. So what negative camber should I be looking out for?
MemphisRheins
02-18-2005, 10:42 AM
Man, this is all started to confuse me. So I need the advice from the pros. If I do end up getting the Eibach Pro Kit, should I get the Ingalls Rear Camber Kit right away or should I install the springs, then bring it to the Tire Shop and get it aligned to see how bad the camber is. And THEN get the rear camber kit if its more than a certain amount? And how much negative camber would warrant a camber kit? I know this is more of a preference but lets say that if I were to rate between handling and tire wear it would be 30/70 in favor of tire wear instead of handling. So what negative camber should I be looking out for?
Yeah its majorly Confusing...
But heres what I think ive managed to figure out...Noel Correct me if Im wrong at any point here...
First off the TSX Stock specs allow for a negitive Camber up to -1.7* which is allready a lot...based on earlier pictures/drops the TSX Goes out to about -2.5 * Rear Camber/Comptech...and -3 w/ the Tannabie.... now this is good for handling, but will Really Eat Tires... So its really more up to you...personally I decided to foget the camber kit(For Now at least), get an alignment to even it out(personally im hoping it will be somewhere around -2*)...and Ill take some Tirewear for Improved Cornering Ability...
virtualbong
02-18-2005, 10:57 AM
Yeah its majorly Confusing...
But heres what I think ive managed to figure out...Noel Correct me if Im wrong at any point here...
First off the TSX Stock specs allow for a negitive Camber up to -1.7* which is allready a lot...based on earlier pictures/drops the TSX Goes out to about -2.5 * Rear Camber/Comptech...and -3 w/ the Tannabie.... now this is good for handling, but will Really Eat Tires... So its really more up to you...personally I decided to foget the camber kit(For Now at least), get an alignment to even it out(personally im hoping it will be somewhere around -2*)...and Ill take some Tirewear for Improved Cornering Ability...
So you have the Eibach Pro Kit? I'm going with these springs and not Comptech or Tanabe, so will it be that bad? I think I'm going to go without the camber kit as well because I believe Ray (administrator) says that the Pro Kit doesn't require a camber kit, so I'll take his word on it. This will also save me money for some wheels and now that I'm going only with springs and no camber kit and not coilovers that should give me enough money to get the Greddy Evo2 Catback when summer hits bbbbb5
MemphisRheins
02-18-2005, 12:05 PM
So you have the Eibach Pro Kit? I'm going with these springs and not Comptech or Tanabe, so will it be that bad? I think I'm going to go without the camber kit as well because I believe Ray (administrator) says that the Pro Kit doesn't require a camber kit, so I'll take his word on it. This will also save me money for some wheels and now that I'm going only with springs and no camber kit and not coilovers that should give me enough money to get the Greddy Evo2 Catback when summer hits bbbbb5
No...I have the Comptech.. Pro Kits prob gonna be about the same from 2.5-3.0 Negitive Camber......This will improve handiling...however dont Get me wrong...ur running 3.0 neg camber ur gonna be buying new tires alot sooner then w/ a 0 degree Camber... It Honestly Is Prefence... You can have handling...and wear ur tires...or u can have looks, spend a lil more money..get a slight increase in handling and save urself some tires
MemphisRheins
02-18-2005, 01:25 PM
Pritty much, its Prefernce...If u want Some #'s here... Noels running a -2.8 Camber... for handiling purposes...Im shooting for a 2.0 w/ Alignment...but if i cant get that Ill just even it at whatever...
You shouldnt be too bad w/ some neg camber....as long as ur TSX dosent look like Eleanor here :lol:
virtualbong
02-18-2005, 02:26 PM
Pritty much, its Prefernce...If u want Some #'s here... Noels running a -2.8 Camber... for handiling purposes...Im shooting for a 2.0 w/ Alignment...but if i cant get that Ill just even it at whatever...
You shouldnt be too bad w/ some neg camber....as long as ur TSX dosent look like Eleanor here :lol:
LOL, I hope it doesn't look like Eleanor in your Avatar!
Speaking of Eleanor, you guys check out the show on Eleanor on Rides? Damn is that thing a beast.
MemphisRheins
02-18-2005, 02:31 PM
LOL, I hope it doesn't look like Eleanor in your Avatar!
Speaking of Eleanor, you guys check out the show on Eleanor on Rides? Damn is that thing a beast.
Yeah the SuperSnake Shelby Gt500E... God Damn... Supercharged 427 Ford Racing Engine...200 Shot of Nitros, i meen that thing is made to I dont even know lol... Maybe someday...Right now ill be more then happy w/ a 2001 Bullitt....but the Supersnake is a Beast
salaki
02-18-2005, 07:06 PM
Test
salaki
02-18-2005, 07:11 PM
Eibach or Comptech (seems to be the most widely used):
1. What's your reading on the front camber?
2. Is there an aftermarket kit to adjust the front?
Too bad TSX does not use camber bolts. Spending $200 for a little plate to adjust the camber is TOO MUCH IMHO!
For those who does not get / wait to get a camber kit
Just make sure you set the toe to ZERO all around.
As TOE eats MORE tires than CAMBER.
To me 1.0 - 1.5 deg all around is the best overall camber w/ ZERO toe all around. This is what I always advise my friends.
So it's up to you all.
You play - you pay.
Andynolife
02-18-2005, 07:17 PM
abt 0.5 to 0 .. very minor in the front . ~
ingall also makes front camber kit ~
i got only the rear ingall camber kit .. ~ and i think it's good enough ~
plus i would really adjust it when my new tires and tein basic damper is here on march ~
other than that .. ~ stock tires r too hard to wear out and negative camber doesn't look that bad IMO ~
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