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goowakjai
12-24-2004, 05:41 AM
I'm looking into coilovers; aside from Tein, BC and Mugen, I'm also looking into H&R coilovers for the TSX. Anyone have the H&R coilovers on their TSX? How's the ride quality? I know it's height adjustable, but can you adjust the stiffness? I heard that the Tein coilovers (SS and flex) weren't specifically made for the TSX although they fit, but the Mugen, BC, and H&R applications were specifically made for the TSX... is this true? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you!
LannyMCS
12-24-2004, 08:03 AM
I haven't seen any write ups on TSXs with H&Rs. But they don't feature any damper adjustment, so there's no tuning beyond height adjustment. They do use progressive rate springs, but the rates are still high, so they will be stiff.
All of the coilovers you mentioned are probably developed for the Accord platform in general, and will fit a variety of cars, from 4 cyl Accords all the way up to V6 TLs. So, they probably don't go through a lot of testing with the TSX specifically; it would up to you (or your installer) to tune them to work with your car. This would involve selecting the right combination of sway bars as well as setting up each corner with the correct height and rebound settings.
You can create a wondefully balanced, great handling vehicle with the right setup, but don't kid yourself into thinking that you can crank back on the damper adjustment and get a supple ride. Coilovers can drop the car 2+", so you're left with less than an 1"of suspension travel. So, the spring rates need to be off the charts to keep from bottoming out.
There is a difference, though, between the type of ride you get with coilovers and plain old lowering springs. Lowerings springs on stock struts will be bouncy and stiff, and get worse as the struts fail. Coilovers will just be stiff; if they're bouncy, you should be able to dial back on the damper to help reduce that.
Joker
12-24-2004, 09:56 AM
Hello, and welcome to the Club goowakjai :wavey:
TSX 'R' US
12-24-2004, 12:29 PM
Hey!! Welcome goowakjai :wavey:
Your screen name is great!! :laugh:
goowakjai
12-24-2004, 04:05 PM
Thanks to everyone for the warm welcome! Feels good to be wanted :laugh:
LannyM: thanks for the helpful write-up. It's down to H&R and Tein coilvers (super street and flex). I will have to do some research. Your insight was very helpful. Thanks!
Joker: Hello my fellow so-cal'er. Any recommendations of a good shop for installs that can do a good job with install and setup for optimal ride quality? Autowave? Evosport?
TSX R'Us: I see you're a goowakjai too! haha :cool:
Joker
12-24-2004, 06:02 PM
Joker: Hello my fellow so-cal'er. Any recommendations of a good shop for installs that can do a good job with install and setup for optimal ride quality? Autowave?
Nice to see another TSX owner from SoCal :thumbsup:
Check out http://www.autowaveinc.com/
Be sure and ask for Shane (owner), and tell him Greg sent you :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
TSX 'R' US
12-24-2004, 06:05 PM
TSX R'Us: I see you're a goowakjai too! haha :cool:
:laugh: :nod: :D
I'm looking into coilovers; aside from Tein, BC and Mugen, I'm also looking into H&R coilovers for the TSX. Anyone have the H&R coilovers on their TSX? How's the ride quality? I know it's height adjustable, but can you adjust the stiffness? I heard that the Tein coilovers (SS and flex) weren't specifically made for the TSX although they fit, but the Mugen, BC, and H&R applications were specifically made for the TSX... is this true? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you!
H&R's ride quality isn't exactly harsh or stiff in my books, it's acceptable and most definitely designed for primary road use. Only height adjustment is applicable, no shock damper adjustment.
Tein are the ones not specifically designed for the model however the other makers listed above are specific. If you want a close to OEM handling feel, comfort while only lowering the car a little bit. You might want to look at the A-Spec or Mugen Sports variant instead.
Andynolife
12-24-2004, 08:49 PM
well .. ~~ im resently looking for coilover too .. ~ pretty happy with the stiffness of my eibach prokit rite now ~ so i think Tein SS or Basic damper should probably do the job ~ and maybe Tanabe's or now the H&R coilover ~
any suggestions ?
Definitely H&R gets my recommendation for being a primary road bias application.
AlterZgo
12-25-2004, 04:04 AM
Don't most good quality coilover mfgs offer a choice of different spring rates? Additionally, some of the high end coilovers are double adjustable so that you can not only lower your car 2"+, but you still have the capability of retaining the full suspension travel. Of course, the problem then becomes wheel well clearance.
ChinchillaX
12-25-2004, 06:18 AM
Welcome to the club, goowakjai :wavey:
Hey!!
Your screen name is great!! :laugh:
what does his sn mean?:donno:
I don't know canto. aehe10
goowakjai
12-25-2004, 02:32 PM
Welcome to the club, goowakjai :wavey:
what does his sn mean?:donno:
I don't know canto. aehe10
Thanks Agent Chen! The closest translation, with losing being lost in translation is "wiseguy." But if there's a closer translation, please feel free to chime in.
Thanks Noel for the feedback. If H&R has a coilover application made specifically for the TSX, then I would probably get their coilovers. The Teins, although they're dampening adjustable, I assume in the softest setting would still be stiffer than the H&R's. Is my assumption correct? What Tein has over H&R is that their office is in my area, so it would easier to get it repaired if anything happens.
Andynolife
12-25-2004, 07:02 PM
and the allumium Tein emblem come with the coilover .. ~ :D
Don't most good quality coilover mfgs offer a choice of different spring rates? Additionally, some of the high end coilovers are double adjustable so that you can not only lower your car 2"+, but you still have the capability of retaining the full suspension travel.
Yes, all this is limited to budget only and these products are ideally designed for racing applications instead of road applications. IMO, it defeats the purpose to run "street spec" spring rates on race coilovers unless you truly need the full adjustability for road use which I doubt.
Most of the time, people are after a "set and forget" type of product. Overall, the more adjustment, tuning is permitted. The more it costs. Then comes to exotic material choice, now we're talking big dollars.
If H&R has a coilover application made specifically for the TSX, then I would probably get their coilovers. The Teins, although they're dampening adjustable, I assume in the softest setting would still be stiffer than the H&R's. Is my assumption correct? What Tein has over H&R is that their office is in my area, so it would easier to get it repaired if anything happens.
Yes your assumption is quite accurate to say is right on the money, although Tein have adjustable shock dampers (Alike all major Japan coilover brands) ... Their spring rates in the lowest rating is still very much stiffer compared to H&R coilovers which are specifically designed for primary road use and the "once in awhile" trackday.
Teins in general especially their so called "road use products" are designed for the perfect roads in Japan even their road application is not soft in my experience. While some overhaul, rebuild can be done in-house. Some complicated or warranty issues will have to be sent back to Japan for replacement. This can become a timely process.
Andynolife
12-25-2004, 07:39 PM
Yes, all this is limited to budget only and these products are ideally designed for racing applications instead of road applications. IMO, it defeats the purpose to run "street spec" spring rates on race coilovers unless you truly need the full adjustability for road use which I doubt.
Most of the time, people are after a "set and forget" type of product. Overall, the more adjustment, tuning is permitted. The more it costs. Then comes to exotic material choice, now we're talking big dollars.
:sprint: yeah .. most people wont touch it anyway after the installation ~
on top of that once u adjust the heigh .. the camber is off again .. ~
but u then have to find a set of coilovers that u wont regrate with the spring rates ~
Always buy a street acceptable spring rating for whatever coilover you want if you want to maintain some sort of comfort along with the improved handling. Not bias to any brand or type of springs, here is my suggested spring rating for the CL9 strictly for road use.
Combination 1 - (F8K ~ R6K) | Street bias, with no intention for trackwork. Factory is approximately give an take 1K - 2K less.
Combination 2 - (F10K ~ R8K) | Sport bias. If you do trackdays ala less than 5 a year along with this being a daily road car. This will be a better balance for trackwork.
In general, do not buy one with the same rating front and rear, this is not a 50/50 bias vehicle application and will have a serious adverse change to the handling dynamics unless you know what you're getting yourself into.
LannyMCS
12-25-2004, 08:41 PM
All Tein applications for the CL9 chassis are F10K ~ R6K. Way too stiff for crappy New England roads.
Any idea what H&R runs?
No official figures that I'm aware of but my impression would be approximately (F6K/5K ~ R4K/3K) or so. It feels very comfortable especially on uneven/poor tarmac surfaces when I test drove one.
LannyMCS
12-25-2004, 11:16 PM
My experience with H&R coilovers is limited to a local VW Jetta, and his ride is not at all comfortable. I've been reading a little more on them, trying to determine the spring rates, and it seems they use a progressive rate spring, meaning they get stiffer the more they're compressed. Since this Jetta is slammed, I'm going to assume that he's got very little travel left and that is causing the springs to always be at their stiffest.
How low was car you drove?
I'm actually pretty happy with the A-Spec setup, but IF there was a coilover setup that would allow me to go lower while retaining a fatory type ride, I might give it a whirl.......
H&R has straight or progressive springs option when purchasing their coilovers. In general, coilovers should use straight springs instead. The cars I drove with H&R were lowered approximately 1-1½ inch all round, non of this "slammed" setting.
Zeal/Endless B6 on low spring rates (One of my recommendations) will feel close to OEM ride comfort while improving handling. They aren't cheap though, that's the only tradeoff I can think of.
Andynolife
12-26-2004, 05:05 AM
so u mean H&R has a silmiar ride quailty with Prokit than Tein ?
LannyMCS
12-26-2004, 09:29 AM
H&R has straight or progressive springs option when purchasing their coilovers. In general, coilovers should use straight springs instead
I had called The Tire Rack a few weeks ago, as they list a fitment for H&Rs for the TSX. They couldn't give me a spring rate, and they didn't mention any different spring options; they just said they were progressive.
This is a quote from the H&R website for the Coilover:
Engineered for street and occasional track use, H&R Coil-Overs feature a fully-threaded shock body (not an imitation sleeve-over) that allows you to precisely dial in height adjustment to achieve optimum weight transfer, or simply get the aggressive look you've been looking for. Featuring H&R's exclusive dynamic damper technology, each shock is engineered to work in harmony with a progressive-rate spring, together creating a finely-tuned suspension system.
I've never been in a car with progressive rate springs where I was pleased with the handling, so i had kinda written these off a choice. Their website also lists PCS and RSS coilovers, with dampening adjustment, but no fitment for the TSX. It doesn't say what type of springs these use; just that the PCS has dampening adjustment and that the RSS is stiffer......
I guess I'll call H&R tomorrow.
I'm probably just going to stay the the A-Spec setup. If it were possible to come down a little more, thereby lowering the center of gravity, without resorting to signifigantly higher spring rates, I'd give it a try, but I think the problem is that as you go lower, you reduce suspension travel, and the spring rates have to be cranked up so that you're not always hitting the bumpstops.
goowakjai
12-26-2004, 11:19 AM
Wow there's some great info being exchanged. Now, Zeal is another possibility. Noel, is their a Zeal application for the TSX? Link?
If H&R has the right combo of ride quality, performance and height flexibility, then I'll get them instead because Zeals are so $$$
TSXmike
12-26-2004, 05:33 PM
hmm maybe ill just get some eibach springs and koni shocks... i wish i knew what i wanted
so u mean H&R has a silmiar ride quailty with Prokit than Tein?
Eibach Prokit matched with Koni Yellow shocks will give you very very close to OEM ride comfort and handling while giving you height adjustment, even shock damper adjustment. Also one of the cheapest/economical options available, can't complain when you pay such prices if you ask me. But definitely not the best.
Yes, H&R coilovers would come closer to ride confort with Eibach springs when compared to Teins. That's a definite from me having tested all 3 applications on multiple makes/models. However as expected, the H&R are still stiffer/harder than the above mentioned (Eibach+Koni).
If it were possible to come down a little more, thereby lowering the center of gravity, without resorting to signifigantly higher spring rates, I'd give it a try, but I think the problem is that as you go lower, you reduce suspension travel, and the spring rates have to be cranked up so that you're not always hitting the bumpstops.
I doubt H&R would be able to provide the spring ratings even, one of my close friends is the sole official H&R dealer for Australia. Most of my experience comes from his cars/customer cars that I get to drive. Money + value, I would seriously put this one up there if the car is specifically or ideally used for primary road driving.
High-end racing application coilovers have this concern eliminated, they have height adjustment from the shock perch instead of the spring assembly. Therefore you can retain maximum or optimum in this case suspension travel yet drop the car to whatever required ride height. Of course, this is only limited to budget.
For a road setup coilover, H&R definitely is one of my best recommendation. You can't go wrong with a proper set of coilovers. Of course, if you're happy with what you currently have. There's no point in further changing what is already "working" for you.
Wow there's some great info being exchanged. Now, Zeal is another possibility. Noel, is their a Zeal application for the TSX? Link?
If H&R has the right combo of ride quality, performance and height flexibility, then I'll get them instead because Zeals are so $$$
Zeal (http://www.endless-sport.co.jp/product-zeal/index.htm) is definitely one of the high range options, this is the option to take if budget is not a concern and you want weight reduction along with a highly engineered race developed coilover system.
Zeal has multiple specifications available for the CL7/9, since we share the same chassis ... We're in luck with what's available. I personally use the Zeal S6s with custom spring rates however their recommended spring rates for road or track use are proven/tested to do exactly that, either for road driving or trackwork.
Zeal has 4 series available, Function Xs, B6, B6s, S6 - with F12K ~ R8K (Road use recommendation from factory.) However, I'd recommend a lower spring rating of F8K ~ R6K on either standard Zeal or optional Swift springs.
Check with your local distributor/reseller (http://www.endlessusa.com/) for more information on pricing for whichever series you want. All of the Zeal coilovers have ride height adjustment and shock damper adjustment available.
AlterZgo
12-27-2004, 01:04 AM
Yes, all this is limited to budget only and these products are ideally designed for racing applications instead of road applications. IMO, it defeats the purpose to run "street spec" spring rates on race coilovers unless you truly need the full adjustability for road use which I doubt.
How about shortened struts? For my brother's Maxima, there was a company that offered shortened front struts that allowed 1.5" of lowering, but retained the stock suspension travel. I wonder if it would be possible to do something like this for the TSX.
Alternatively, since the TSX still uses Honda's double wishbone design, wouldn't it be possible to manufacture suspension arms that would only lower the ride height, yet retain the stock springs and struts? I recall these being a very popular option back in the days when Civics, Integras, and Preludes all had double wishbone suspensions.
Both of these solutions would not entail using ridiculously stiff springs and would be suitable for road use.
How about shortened struts? For my brother's Maxima, there was a company that offered shortened front struts that allowed 1.5" of lowering, but retained the stock suspension travel. I wonder if it would be possible to do something like this for the TSX.
Not a possible available option, at least in my experience.
Alternatively, since the TSX still uses Honda's double wishbone design, wouldn't it be possible to manufacture suspension arms that would only lower the ride height, yet retain the stock springs and struts? I recall these being a very popular option back in the days when Civics, Integras, and Preludes all had double wishbone suspensions.
Once again, NA. And I don't believe this is a popular way to lower Hondas across the range. I owned all 3 models above with 1 still active in our stable as a race car. While I can honestly say, I never invested or come across this as being a "popular" option. From my knowledge, suspension arms are generally replaced for stronger/reinforced ones for improved handling particularly in racing environment instead of tweaking ride height.
Both of these solutions would not entail using ridiculously stiff springs and would be suitable for road use.
Once again, spring rates can be selected for whatever application if you want to be detailed. On the whole, it's a very hard compromise line to draw to try and maintain close to OEM comfort while dramatically improve handling (You either have one or the other.). I'd say stick to the "simplier" applications if comfort is of high priority. Options like the ASpec suspension, Mugen sports suspension will work very well.
goowakjai
12-27-2004, 10:08 PM
[/QUOTE]Once again, spring rates can be selected for whatever application if you want to be detailed. On the whole, it's a very hard compromise line to draw to try and maintain close to OEM comfort while dramatically improve handling (You either have one or the other.). I'd say stick to the "simplier" applications if comfort is of high priority. Options like the ASpec suspension, Mugen sports suspension will work very well.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget H&R coilovers! :rollsmile
Anything with any form of adjustment would be classified as "intemediate/advanced" suspension systems based on how many options are available IMO. The above quoted 2 are dead straight plug and play replacement with no further changes required, thus classified as "basic/standard" replacements.
Ludefahrer97
12-28-2004, 05:36 PM
I have H&R sport springs with KYB AGX adjustable gas shocks on my Prelude. IIRC, the suspensions of the TSX and BB6 Prelude are very similar both in construction and handling characteristics.
Overall, I'm very happy with the combo. The ride is not too stiff, handling is much improved, and it reduced the amount of wheelgap from 4-finger to 1-finger (got rid of the 4x4 look).
The springs dropped the ride height 1.5". Obviously, you can't adjust the ride height with a springs/shocks combo, but the KYB AGX allows me 4 stages of damper settings. IMO, I wouldn't want to be dropped any more than 1.5 inches. Why?
A) with that drop, there's no need for a camber kit (at least on a Prelude)
B) I live in the pothole-riddled, uneven-pavemented, endless roadconstructioned, state of NJ. Any lower and I could kiss my front lip good-bye.
H&R also offers Race Springs, but they lower the car 2+ images and from what I hear, can rattle the fillings out of your teeth.
Plus, the springs/shocks route usually runs a few hundred bucks less than coilovers.
Just my $ :) .02
thegreatpetah
01-03-2005, 01:25 PM
Hi ppl,
2 new coilovers are coming to the Americas very soon.
D2racing full coilovers - www.d2racing.com.tw
T1R Type-e coilovers- www.aj-racing.com
From what i know, the D2s are race applications. I can tell you this right now, its stiff, you get something, you loose something. In this case, you loose comfortable. I am really frustrated with people asking for something with good performance and comfortable at the same time, you don't, the end.
As for the T1Rs, although they are not rebound adjustable like the D2s, AJR told me they are stiff enough for the roads and handle very well. So if you are not planning to go on the track, don't get the D2s and get the T1R.
Pete
goowakjai
01-08-2005, 04:11 PM
No official figures that I'm aware of but my impression would be approximately (F6K/5K ~ R4K/3K) or so. It feels very comfortable especially on uneven/poor tarmac surfaces when I test drove one.
Noel... did you drive a TSX with H&R coilovers? I know they had one at SEMA.
goowakjai
01-08-2005, 04:14 PM
I had called The Tire Rack a few weeks ago, as they list a fitment for H&Rs for the TSX. They couldn't give me a spring rate, and they didn't mention any different spring options; they just said they were progressive.
This is a quote from the H&R website for the Coilover:
I've never been in a car with progressive rate springs where I was pleased with the handling, so i had kinda written these off a choice. Their website also lists PCS and RSS coilovers, with dampening adjustment, but no fitment for the TSX. It doesn't say what type of springs these use; just that the PCS has dampening adjustment and that the RSS is stiffer......
I guess I'll call H&R tomorrow.
I'm probably just going to stay the the A-Spec setup. If it were possible to come down a little more, thereby lowering the center of gravity, without resorting to signifigantly higher spring rates, I'd give it a try, but I think the problem is that as you go lower, you reduce suspension travel, and the spring rates have to be cranked up so that you're not always hitting the bumpstops.
LannyM.... did you call H&R and get info on their coilovers for the TSX?
LannyMCS
01-08-2005, 04:27 PM
I talked to a tech there, and he said that they won't disclose spring rate info on the progressive springs because they're "rated differently". He did say that the strut is specifically designed to work with a progressive spring.
I'm not gonna try them until I could sample them in someone's TSX. I also would really want to go with damping adjustment.
goowakjai
01-08-2005, 08:47 PM
For my clarification, I thought coilovers come in a complete sleeve with springs and shocks designed to work together for the applicable vehicle [TSX]. From some of the posts here, it sounds as if you could inter-change springs and shocks? Maybe someone can help clarify for me. Thanks.
LannyMCS
01-08-2005, 09:27 PM
For my clarification, I thought coilovers come in a complete sleeve with springs and shocks designed to work together for the applicable vehicle [TSX]. From some of the posts here, it sounds as if you could inter-change springs and shocks? Maybe someone can help clarify for me. Thanks.
Many coilover manufacturers offer different spring rates depending upon your particular needs for a suspension set up. Keep in mind that these are designed primarily for people that are actually tracking their cars, and the various spring rate options will allow you to tailor the suspension to your type of racing. You wouldn't want the same coilover for autocrossing that you would for rallying, for example.
You can creat your own coilover type of setup with various aftermarket setups. Koni offers a threaed sleeve for their Sport shock, and you could choose the spring that want; anywhere from really stiff (think Nuespeed Race) to fairly conservative (think Comptech 110-155). The ability to adjust a coilover's height is NOT to look cool slammed to the ground; it is to give a suspension tuner the ability to coner weight the car; that is; even out the weight of all four contact points of the car.
AlterZgo
01-09-2005, 02:02 AM
I am really frustrated with people asking for something with good performance and comfortable at the same time, you don't, the end.
It really depends on one's priorities. There can be both good performance and comfortable, such as the suspension in a BMW 3 series, or even in the stock Acura TSX.
Most people frequenting these boards are looking to upgrade their street driven cars. They want some increased handling and to maintain a close to stock ride quality. This is not a very difficult thing to achieve. The Aspec suspension seems to do this already.
Another thing - uncomfortable or overly stiff suspension set ups do not necessarily equal good performance. There is a need for compliance in the suspension, especially on a road car, because there are bumps, dips, etc. that need to be absorbed by the suspension in order to keep the tires properly planted to the ground. If the suspension is overly stiff, there may be situations in which handling performance is actually worsened.
goowakjai
01-09-2005, 01:46 PM
Many coilover manufacturers offer different spring rates depending upon your particular needs for a suspension set up. Keep in mind that these are designed primarily for people that are actually tracking their cars, and the various spring rate options will allow you to tailor the suspension to your type of racing. You wouldn't want the same coilover for autocrossing that you would for rallying, for example.
You can creat your own coilover type of setup with various aftermarket setups. Koni offers a threaed sleeve for their Sport shock, and you could choose the spring that want; anywhere from really stiff (think Nuespeed Race) to fairly conservative (think Comptech 110-155). The ability to adjust a coilover's height is NOT to look cool slammed to the ground; it is to give a suspension tuner the ability to coner weight the car; that is; even out the weight of all four contact points of the car.
LannyM....thanks for the insight.
Noel... did you drive a TSX with H&R coilovers? I know they had one at SEMA.
Nope, it was an MTM Audi TT with 400bhp AWD.
virtualbong
02-21-2005, 03:24 PM
Man, this was a great thread to read. Thank you everyone who contributed to this thread, especially Noel! :bowdown1:
After reading this thread, it looks like I will be going with the Eibach Pro Kit matched with the Koni Yellows since this will create the closest feeling to OEM setup. I may consider the H&R Coilover if its in the same price range to save me the trouble of installing the springs with the struts, but if its wayyyyy overpriced, then screw that. I am also going to get the Rear Ingalls Camber Kit.
AlterZgo
02-21-2005, 04:21 PM
I may consider the H&R Coilover if its in the same price range to save me the trouble of installing the springs with the struts, but if its wayyyyy overpriced, then screw that. I am also going to get the Rear Ingalls Camber Kit.
H&R coilover kit will be just about the same labor as installing springs and struts. This is becauase the H&R coilovers do not come w/ the top mounts. You have to disassemble the stock strut assemblies in order to use the stock upper mounts to install the H&R coilover kit. Therefore, you will still need spring compressors, etc.
As you know, there are other options that come as complete fully assembled units that are easy to drop in (A-spec and Tein Flex comes to mind).
virtualbong
02-21-2005, 05:16 PM
H&R coilover kit will be just about the same labor as installing springs and struts. This is becauase the H&R coilovers do not come w/ the top mounts. You have to disassemble the stock strut assemblies in order to use the stock upper mounts to install the H&R coilover kit. Therefore, you will still need spring compressors, etc.
As you know, there are other options that come as complete fully assembled units that are easy to drop in (A-spec and Tein Flex comes to mind).
Well, the Aspec isn't low enough for my liking and the Tein Flex is much more expensive. Since you mentioned it though, does the ASpec package come with new struts too?
AlterZgo
02-21-2005, 07:34 PM
Yup. Brand new struts matched to the lower A-spec springs. They are even tuned differently for the slight differences btw auto vs. 6 speed transmission. You also get brand new upper mounts, all bushings, bumpstops, etc. They come as a completely assembled, drop-in unit.
virtualbong
02-21-2005, 08:21 PM
Yup. Brand new struts matched to the lower A-spec springs. They are even tuned differently for the slight differences btw auto vs. 6 speed transmission. You also get brand new upper mounts, all bushings, bumpstops, etc. They come as a completely assembled, drop-in unit.
Hmmm.....how much for everything then?
AlterZgo
02-21-2005, 08:33 PM
$600 for Acura of Escondido - you can find it on e-bay by searching A-spec TSX. If you do get it, remember to buy the one for the auto or manual depending on how your car is equipped.
Your car won't be slammed, but the lowering is noticeable and your car will ride very close to stock and you will be much less likely to have warranty issues if you run into problems w/ related components.
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