What To Expect From TSXClub In 05

[Noel]

Alright, I've reflected about what I've done in 04 for TSXClub which has not been "enough" in my books. However, in 05 ... I expect to produce much more for this community.

- More technical write-ups/documents/threads especially highlighting what's related to the CL7/9.

- More pictures of cars/tasteful images :loser:/wallpapers. We seem to be severly lacking in the wallpaper department.

- Motoring reviews/racing videos/multimedia. This is a rarity and I expect to see this changed and no doubt improved. After all, it's always nice to see what that new Gallardo or NSX-R can do in motion.

[larchmont]

Noel, you've done a HECK of a lot.

There are a couple different kinds of things that we might say make a site special. One thing is just who the members are and what kind of community they can form. And another thing is, does the site offer something unique on the subject of the site? Noel IMO is probably the main person who does that for this site. There are lots of people with special expertise about cars in general and the Honda/Acura/TSX in particular, but I think Noel is the main one -- the person who provides knowledge that's way beyond what anybody else on any site can provide in the areas of his expertise. I think Justinjsw will be such a person for us in some extremely important areas and could help raise the site to new heights, and I look forward to that greatly. But Noel, I think, has established himself as a very special and unique source on his areas of knowledge.

Noel, IMO you wouldn't have to do anything besides just keeping up the good work. :thumbsup:

[Joker]

Your the man Noel! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[ChinchillaX]

:sprint: Larch

Noel's tech knowledge and expertise is just outstanding, he's been a big contributor to this site. I say keep up the good work!

[johnej]

I agree with everyone above....

[SAZABI]

Cool, Neol!
but I think u have done a lot already.
love reading ur technical post and ur fast reply to other members.
You are very helpful and valuable on this forum :thumbsup:


edit: i just don't like ur avatar :D I need to concentrate when I go to work.

[Noel]

Wow! What the?!?! http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/images/smilies/1/eek.gif Thank you all! I'm honored and shy to be of any attention sparks. That's not my intention of this thread, instead it's meant to be a heads-up on content improvement.

Once again, I'm glad to see big hands of acknowledgement and support. Indeed, I agree wholeheartly with Larch. It's a pleasure to serve a good community like this. It goes beyond the call of duty during my free time to help everyone out with what I can.

Merci Beaucoup ... Merci Beaucoup ... ! :thumbsup:

[robert_tg]

yes noel you been very helpful and informative

[APOGEE]

Definately Noel...you're the man! And this site has been awesome compared to what's out there. Looking forward to 2005! Thanks for all you have done.

[TSX 'R' US]

:woot: :bowdown: Noel

[johnej]

You know, though Noel does have a point, It is the moderators and the admins that control the site, but the members make the site what it is. It can only get better, I mean after all the mods and admins are great..... Okay enough buttering up (although i mean it)

[HondaMan]

Rock on! :thumbsup:

[csnoke]

Why not change the index to something more than just a link to the forums? I've never quite liked that little splash page. A main page with site news and links (to a wallpaper and hi-res section, a FAQ, and such) would be nice. Maybe I'll see what I can do about contributing some wallpapers... I know I contribute nothing but presence, I lurk far more than I post... but this place could be better. :)

[Noel]

Yes, I agree that the mainpage should be rehauled.

[larchmont]

Yes, I agree that the mainpage should be rehauled.
Before we went to the current format (dunno, maybe like 8 months ago or something like that), we had a GREAT home page. I thought the loss of that was the main sacrifice of the new format.

[Noel]

I never got the chance to see that.

[TSX 'R' US]

We have a splash page?

bookmarks pwn me :D

[johnej]

I agree with Larch, however I personally bypass the main page, and come to the index.. The change was due to new software (I believe), I have just not found anything at all on the main page to look at. If it is more entertaining to look at I might visit it.. Or maybe have 2 main pages, one for members with everything, and one for non members which just allows looking at the forums?

[johnej]

Look at tsxclub.com....(www.tsxclub.com) there is nothing there but a link...

[Ray]

I am waiting on a friend to change our main page in to a portal then we should have a set up like we did before.

[Ray]

here is how it would look: http://www.reviewdome.com/

[johnej]

looks good Ray

[larchmont]

That's good, but FYI it's nothing like we had before.....

[johnej]

but better than current.....

[TSX 'R' US]

here is how it would look: http://www.reviewdome.com/
hmmm....interesting... can't wait to see it :nod:

[Noel]

Indeed, let's get this happening.

[Joker]

Indeed, let's get this happening.
I agree, change is good :thumbsup:

[johnej]

Change is always good..

[Noel]

I wouldn't use that blanket statement in general.

[johnej]

Until proven otherwise.... That is what i have always believed. You can always change back...

[TSX 'R' US]

Until proven otherwise.... That is what i have always believed. You can always change back...
not as easy as moving foward....

[larchmont]

That's right.

On matters of this sort, I'm kinda in Noel's camp.

I guess that's "conservative." :eek:

[Noel]

Just by looking at cars, that statement is very unreal. Just look at the BMWs, blah. :tard:

[MemphisRheins]

bump

[Noel]

LoL ... Why are we bumping MR? We're in 06 ... Mate. :jester:

[Joker]

LoL ... Why are we bumping MR? We're in 06 ... Mate. :jester:
Guess he's bored :laugh:

[Kanon23]

Guess he's bored :laugh:

but that gets us thinking...how can we make this board more lively?

[justinjsw]

The TSX itself is a low production vehicle...meaning the site already is targeted to a limited audience.

What does this site offer that other TSX related sites do not?

The site has not been updated since...who knows when. You can still find information dating back to 04. This site is not designed to or have enough information in one forum to attract, then keep its guests/members. None of the admins/mods are in the automotive business, therefore this site can not provide first hand/exclusive info/pics.

There are many ways to solve this problem.

[Noel]

This site is not designed to or have enough information in one forum to attract, then keep its guests/members.

I don't think that is accurate. What information are you referring to when you say it's not enough?

None of the admins/mods are in the automotive business, therefore this site can not provide first hand/exclusive info/pics.

You don't need to be in the automotive industry if you ask me. And the exclusive information these days are replicated so fast, I don't even think the word exclusive can be even used. Information and data is virtually across all domains in only a matter of time.

There are many ways to solve this problem.

Enlighten us.

[justinjsw]

I don't think that is accurate. What information are you referring to when you say it's not enough?




You don't need to be in the automotive industry if you ask me. And the exclusive information these days are replicated so fast, I don't even think the word exclusive can be even used. Information and data is virtually across all domains in only a matter of time.



Enlighten us.

1..Im not going to go thru what is enough and what is not enough. Take a look at the other forums, then come back and tell me what you think this site is missing.

2.I totally disagree with this statement. Exclusive info may be replicated but it still starts from a source. There are no one here to network with anybody in the know. The bits of new info posted here are days old if not weeks old.

3.Enlighten you? You can't be new to this Noel. You want to be enlighten fine. Do you know who was the first person to post official shots of the TSX over the internet? Do you know what happened to the first TSX site once everybody realized they can find pic/info there before anywhere else?

The first official shots of the TL were posted weeks before media day. Do you know what happened to that little TSX site when people started going there on a daily basis for info? Once you attract them and give them a reason to stay...they will stay. To give you an idea, when the TSX pics first came out...they were told when it will be posted. When the time came the membership/guests login jumped from 50-60 to over 300-350. If only 20% of the 300 guests chose to stay as a member thats a 60 member increase over night.

What if I came on here today and said I have exclusive pics/info of the 07 TSX. I post a sneak peek, then say on 2/10/06 @ 12pm PST the rest of the pics will be posted. Then I continue to provide info all the way up to official release date. What do you think will happen here?

Look at your 6 sticky threads in the general TSX forum. 2 of those are asking for help.

Im not trying to sound mean here. Somebody asked...im answering. I tell it like I see it.

You may know your Hondas Noel but im sure you didn't major in advertising or marketing.

[Peregrine]

justinjsw,
if you want to help, you can get off the offensive and contribute instead of criticizing. I agree with one of the conclusions coming out of your statements: there are always those few ppl extremely hungry for news and are irritated when they don't find it in related forums. However, those information challanged ppl are an exception, not a rule. And I don't see how administrators of any forum would have to sacrifice their daily lives just to satisfy that small demand.
As you mentioned yourself, THIS forum targets a limited audience. True, from the administrators point, the more audience, the more resources the site would have. However, as a marketing genius you have to think about how to use advantages of what this site has now, and what it realistically will ever get to. And that is definitely NOT a large audience. Forcibly inflating the audience by providing loads of information and maybe even spreading the focus to a wider automotive areas could just harm this site.
It is much wiser to concentrate efforts on the realistically attained limited audience. Some of them being: thorough and swift communication, and more interpersonal contacts between members. True, some threads/posts reamin unanswered, but that is unavoidable even on the largest forums, since some questions are not easily answered.
But being a member here is much easier to make friends than on any other larger forum, most members try to genuinly help each other, and flexibility and welcoming approach of the administrators makes this forum an even more inviting and family-like.

So if you don't feel right at home after being here for a week, we probably wouldn't want you in our family.

[justinjsw]

I could have sworn somewhere in this thread there was a question in regards to why is this site slow and what can make it more lively. And I said lack of information and limited site penetration.


Peregrine...excuse me, but I do contribute. Thats all I have been doing since 2002. There was nothing offensive about my response. I was just pointing out what could be wrong and why the site is so slow.

You want another example...dealership forum...there is a sticky thread that nobody has responsed to in over 6 months. Why is it still a sticky? Its old news. Sticky relevent up to date info.

People come on here looking for answers. If they find what they are looking for they will stay. Why not group 04/05 TSX info in one place and 06 in another.
Why not have a sub forum for all other Honda/Acura related products. Why not have a sub forum for non Honda/Acura related products. Why not have a detailed Q/A section for the TSX. A one stop answer to all TSX related questions. Everything from engine codes to paint codes to toll free numbers to paint combos.
So if you don't feel right at home after being here for a week, we probably wouldn't want you in our family.

Excellent insight.

What a family of 10? 15? The site can't support it self based on current viewership. There are no sponsors because there are not enough viewers.

[Peregrine]

point taken.

(My earlier response was based on your 2 above posts, I did not read the whole thread.)

[Noel]

Justin - I see your direction and dis-satisfaction in general on how things are being done/managed here. However, I am in no standing to defend either the members or site administration. Since we aren't able to capture/retain the mainstream of TSX owners vs other competing sites, the retainment value does hold true for niche information.

People like Peregrine, LannyM who give their time/efforts sharing contributions which I'm sure isn't a parallel replication across all bases. I can only speak for the technical aspects/approach of how things are being done here, and I'm not going to make a blown up statement in reflect that we are doing a bad job in any opinionated aspect. Yes, I don't come from an advertising/marketing background but my shared purpose and offering here is a higher hefty knowledge based on real world requirements. Regardless of catering to a niche/wide market, I believe I serve my purpose with no bias stance.

[Benz]

it's a bump? Hahha.. and i read the whole thing and wanted to suggest change the thread to :bowdown: to Noel...hahahha!!

so.. what do we have for 06??

PS: i agree w/ everyone on Noel, crazy person w/ unlimted knowledge, i learned so much that i can act like a smartass now...hahaha!

[larchmont]

And I agree with everybody on this page. :D

Seriously.

It could only help if there were more of a pipeline to hot info.
As Justin said, that's what there was on the "original" site (I assume he means the long-defunct ClubTSX), and it was great. It's what started the "TSX forum family" as we know it.

But OTOH yes indeed, there can be problems with larger sites -- and we've seen that.
Most of the trouble (IMHO) wasn't exactly the "bigness" but idiosyncracies of the owner, including that he wasn't really interested in the TSX or an identifiable TSX community (all IMO).

This site could benefit not just from more of a "pipeline" but also (as Justin says) better organization of the material on the site. And also perhaps more activity from the powers-that-be, although God knows they've done an awful lot.
And let's not make more of this than we should -- the site is very good. Can it be better? Sure. And maybe the ideas being expressed here could help that happen.

[justinjsw]

As with any business different depts are responsible for different functions of that business. Your expertise Noel would be in the service/tech dept. A good service advisor will retain a good portion of that business's customers. But, where do the customers(members) come from? Thats where the problem is.

The only reason im even saying something is because someone asked. This is not my investment, so I have no say on how things should or could be run.

As with any business, if the business is not doing well, the next question to ask is how to fix it. And who can fix it.

Yes, Larch I was talking about clubtsx.

[Benz]

What ever happened to CLubTSX?? i think i was too young back then :laugh: ...

[larchmont]

What ever happened to CLubTSX?? i think i was too young back then :laugh: ...
It's a pretty funny story, although we didn't think it was funny at the time.
Long story short: It was over some f***ing T-shirts. :D

The owners were a couple of people that I don't think any of the members knew -- I mean we didn't even have any idea who they were. Anyway they were never on the site, never did anything, and were way over their heads.
Nevertheless, somehow all was good -- no, it was GREAT, mainly because Justin was there, providing all kinds of great heads-up info on the TSX, and we had a couple of GREAT moderators. The community just grew and grew -- and all of this in just a few months.

Every few days, though, the moderators would bitch a little bit about the owners. And there were some behind-the-scenes rivalries with another wannabe site (which eventually sort of became the AZ site), which I didn't know about.

What made it crash was when some of us started talking about putting out T-shirts with a club logo on it, we came up with some designs and started getting serious -- and the admins came on and said "you can't do that." We started asking some questions, they started banning people -- and so basically everybody left.
The site kept kicking around for a few more months with just a few members, but it was basically dead. It folded a while later.

[Peregrine]

:laugh:
served them right for being tight-assed

[Benz]

It's a pretty funny story, although we didn't think it was funny at the time.
Long story short: It was over some f***ing T-shirts. :D

The owners were a couple of people that I don't think any of the members knew -- I mean we didn't even have any idea who they were. Anyway they were never on the site, never did anything, and were way over their heads.
Nevertheless, somehow all was good -- no, it was GREAT, mainly because Justin was there, providing all kinds of great heads-up info on the TSX, and we had a couple of GREAT moderators. The community just grew and grew -- and all of this in just a few months.

Every few days, though, the moderators would bitch a little bit about the owners. And there were some behind-the-scenes rivalries with another wannabe site (which eventually sort of became the AZ site), which I didn't know about.

What made it crash was when some of us started talking about putting out T-shirts with a club logo on it, we came up with some designs and started getting serious -- and the admins came on and said "you can't do that." We started asking some questions, they started banning people -- and so basically everybody left.
The site kept kicking around for a few more months with just a few members, but it was basically dead. It folded a while later.

HAhaha... at first i was :laugh: ... over some f**king T-shirts....

but as i read on...damn. I never knew there were owners (shows how much i know about forums). I thought a member just creates a forum and it's basically run by moderators... why would people create a forum if they are not interested in it and never visit it. Worse off, does the owners even have a TSX???? I thought the owner was like...Ray or something, since he was there at the beginning and was one of the "ancient" mods :lol: .... what does the owner do anyways?? Pay for the domain?

[larchmont]

...damn. I never knew there were owners (shows how much i know about forums). I thought a member just creates a forum and it's basically run by moderators.....
Huh......And I thought I was the only one who didn't know shyyttte. :D

Not that I really understand it either, but......Basically I think, there is an owner (or owners) who buy the site name (I think it's called "domain name"), and then they have to buy or rent the.......I dunno what it is, maybe channel or air-space or "bandwidth" or whatever it's called, and they also have to buy or rent a format (like "vBulletin" on here), and there are probably various other ongoing expenses......I dunno, I guess it's like running a business. Which means I guess they also get the billions and billlions of dollars that come from the advertising on the site. :laugh:

I think "administrator" is the same as "owner." Moderators, who are sometimes also administrators, do the stuff that you know they do. But I understand that on some sites, the term "administrator" is used for people who are just moderators and don't have any "higher responsibility" (like ownership).

......Why would people create a forum if they are not interested in it and never visit it. Worse off, does the owners even have a TSX???? I thought the owner was like...Ray or something, since he was there at the beginning and was one of the "ancient" mods :lol:
Why would they, and why did they? Good question. Regarding ClubTSX (which wasn't the same as this site), it's a very good question, and for a while I was quite curious about it -- who were those guys anyway (it seemed they might have been literally just kids), and why did they do it......pay some money to get the name and start up the site and keep it going, then never DO anything, including virtually never even posting on the site?

About Ray -- He has been HERE from the beginning -- i.e. HERE, on THIS site.
This site isn't one of the sites that was referred to in that story up there.

[pcdawg]

Sorry for bringing a dead post back up. But a long while back i did hear of this ************ and didnt know what came of it ..... it was a great domain name and would have probably been the first thing to type up on google.

I guess the owners had thought they would sell it once it really hits big. Its always good to have an owner that is part of the forum. So they can be more involved and help the community grow and get to see what actually goes on. But sadly, when its limited to just a single car model, it will eventually die and members will start disappearing when they sell theeir cars and move on.

For me, I'll be keeeping this car for a very long time so i'll still be part of the community. Hopefully honda/acura will continue the TSX name for a long time. But at least with the re-designed scheduled for 2008 it'll still be the TSX so at least it'll last another 4 years after that.

[Noel]

No, it's actually good timing to bring this thread back. I'm not throwing out an official statement at this stage. However, I'm working to seek the approval from the site owners on bringing about some key developments and driving progressive changes that will benefit members into 07.

More value added content, services and the implementation of reputation/trading points systems. Exclusive usergroups and paid content membership. Vendors will also be a key development section for improving the sales experience they provide to members and a better management support overall.

We may be a smaller community, but we will come inline with the changes with key emphasis on niche, robust, content driven and value added. Now, I just need the site owners approval and support before I can put some concrete developments into action.

[Revenent]

Just a really minor thing - is there any way to put a "in reply to" in the post footer to see which post was being replied to?

Not really a community thing, I suppose. :)

[Noel]

VBulletin needs to be upgraded, this will allow the feature you request to be available. Inline with my discussions as outlined above.

[pcdawg]

Sounds good Noel....i hope your plan flies with the owner and see some fine changes in the near future!

[Peregrine]

:sprint:

[Ray]

Sounds good Noel....i hope your plan flies with the owner and see some fine changes in the near future!
Noel will now be able to implement these changes, lets hope for a better future as he has great ideas. :thumbsup:

[Benz]

^ wow...it's RAY!! I didn't know you still frequent this board?? This is truly a rare sight!

[-phase-]

i like noel's idea of creating a user rating system..this way we can all be protected in the classifieds section