What brake mod you guys have?

[lunner]

Hay guys what brake mod do you have?

Thanks

[Noel]

Sorry, what are you trying to establish?

[lunner]

I just want more stopping power.

[Noel]

Different compound brake pads would be a good start if you're budget tight.

[lunner]

Noel, what about rotor and caliper?

[cmf]

My brake mod would include StopTech front and Rotora rear drilled replacement rotors. I also use Endless pads. I have noticed a difference in braking vs stock, but my driving habits are pretty aggressive.

[TSX 'R' US]

^^ I was wondering when you would chime in... :)

:thumbsup:

[Noel]

If you're driving strictly on public roads, factory rotors and higher temperature brake pads is often more than enough. If that's not enough, Spoon calipers would be the next step up. Rotors are only seriously useful if you're doing trackwork. The good thing about using Spoon calipers is, you can use OEM Honda brake pads.

[lunner]

Noel, how are the Spoon's calipers comparing to Ratora's or Brembo's? Ratora has a few rotors : Link (http://www.autocarparts.com/cars/Acura/TSX/ALL/Brakes/)
How are they comparing to others?

THanks alot.

[Noel]

No experience with Ratora but with Brembos. It's basically very much alike in design. However Spoon calipers are much lighter than Brembos and you get the option/choice to use OEM Honda pads. Brembos need specific Brembo application pads which can get expensive at replacement. Both calipers can use high temperature race pads for trackwork.

[LOC888]

If you're driving strictly on public roads, factory rotors and higher temperature brake pads is often more than enough. If that's not enough, Spoon calipers would be the next step up. Rotors are only seriously useful if you're doing trackwork. The good thing about using Spoon calipers is, you can use OEM Honda brake pads.

Spoon dont make calipers for the CL9, how would u put them on?

[Joker]

Spoon dont make calipers for the CL9, how would u put them on?
Hello, and welcome to the Club LOC888 :wavey:

They sure do : http://www.spoonsports.us/catalog/products/caliperMono.htm

[SAZABI]

InspireS put a set on before.... :o

[Noel]

Spoon dont make calipers for the CL9, how would u put them on?

http://www.spoonsports.us/catalog/products/brakes/013_01.jpg

Yes, the Spoon universal 4-pot calipers are designed to fit most Hondas not catered by the twin-block 4-pot calipers.

I guess some of you haven't seen this (http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4286)

[lunner]

Noel,

Did you get your carbon hood yet? I want to get one after my brake mod.

How much you pay for those Spoon monoblocks?

My next mod would be brakes. You think they would fit my RIMs? I got those A-spec rims... What makes you choose those over Brembos? Did you upgrade your rotors? Lots of Qs...

My goal a bit lesser weight, better handling, more stopping power... I want more power but I don't think I would gain much more then what CAI would do or would justify the cost. Is that right?

Thanks for the advice.

[Noel]

Nope, still in production at this stage.

AJ Racing (http://www.aj-racing.com/) can give you a quote on the Spoon calipers. I'm not sure if it'd fit the ASpec rims, if you have the offset and measurements, that'll help.

Why I chose Spoon? Simple, if it's good enough for Spoon to use in their 24 hour racing ... It's good enough for me. Not to mention, they're made by the same caliper manufacturer on the OEM calipers.

If this is a street driven car, I wouldn't recommend getting replacement calipers. Look at better brake pads, braided lines, brake fluid instead. The OEM calipers are well enough to handle most application usage.

[LOC888]

http://www.spoonsports.us/catalog/products/brakes/013_01.jpg

Yes, the Spoon universal 4-pot calipers are designed to fit most Hondas not catered by the twin-block 4-pot calipers.

I guess some of you haven't seen this (http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4286)

So there are definately no modifacations required to fit the spoon calipers on. Noel, can u please confirm this. Thanks mate... :p

[LOC888]

They sure do : http://www.spoonsports.us/catalog/products/caliperMono.htm[/QUOTE]
Thanks mate, but there is no mention of the CL9! Will it definately fit? Sorry to be a pain...

[Noel]

If you simply want to fit the Spoon calipers on the CL9, the following listing are the parts you need. While you should also check to ensure your rims have enough offset clearance. Otherwise, you'd be in hot water trying to get that sorted out.

Spoon Monoblock Universal Calipers
Spoon AP1 Caliper Bracket Set
Honda AP1 Front Brake Pads

The OEM brake lines and rotors have no problem with fitment or clearance.

[LOC888]

Thanks for the advice Noel!
I currently have 18x8 rims with 45 offset, do u think there would be enough room?
thanks...

[lunner]

Noel, did you put your OEM front calipers to the rear? Didn't your also replaced your OEM rotors?

[Noel]

LOC888 - You may need 5mm spacers for the front. If so, that shouldn't be much of a worry and easily cheap and sourced in Sydney. Anymore than that, you'd need longer wheel studs as well.

Lunner - No, the rear calipers are OEM. Yes, all 4 rotors now are Endless.

[cmf]

LOC888 - You may need 5mm spacers for the front. If so, that shouldn't be much of a worry and easily cheap and sourced in Sydney. Anymore than that, you'd need longer wheel studs as well.

Lunner - No, the rear calipers are OEM. Yes, all 4 rotors now are Endless.


The aj-racing TSX has no spacers on the front, so I wouldn't think he'd need a spacer. Especially since they are both using the same wheel with same offset.
Noel-- where did you score the Endless rotors? Are they drilled or slotted? Do you know if Endless has a drilled or slotted set available yet?

[LOC888]

Thanks Noel, where in Sydney did u get ur spoon calipers from?

[LOC888]

Hey Cmf, i think we have the same rims and offset, can u tell me what brake set up u currently using? Thanks mate...

[Cyde]

If you can afford spoon rotors, get them, unlik other brand cross drilled rotors like brembo etc.. the holes in the spoon rotors are not drilled, they are casted with the disc, making it alot stonger and less likely to warp..

I've warp brembo rotors already, but i can't afford the spoon ones, so i'll just stick to simple side slotted one

[cmf]

Hey Cmf, i think we have the same rims and offset, can u tell me what brake set up u currently using? Thanks mate...


I have the StopTech front replacement drilled rotors, and the Rotora rear replacement drilled rotors.
I really would like to get the Spoon cast drilled rotors, but I thought there was no application available yet.
If that fell through, I wanted Endless rotors, so I will wait on Noels response about drilled or slotted rotors available for us.

[tuan209]

noel,

ill also want to know where you can get a set of endless rotors. Hit me up with a PM if you can.

Thanks
tuan

[Joker]

Hello, and welcome to the Club tuan209 :wavey:

[cmf]

Hello, and welcome to the Club tuan209 :wavey:


If Tuan209 comes together with all his planned parts, his ride is gonna be pimp. You guys got something special brewing over there in his neck of the Texas woods. :D

[Noel]

LOC888 - My source is not available to public. Please refer to your usual JDM performance parts stockist for pricing and shipping availability ala IS Racing Rockdale or JDMYard (http://www.jdmyard.com).

While Endless rotors can be purchased from Endless US (http://www.endlessusa.com/), you can either get a basic rotor or S6 (6-Way Slotted Rotor) or S24 (24-Way Slotted Rotor) for the TSX.

And slotted should be the maximum anyone should go. Cross drilled rotors are mainly designed for looks instead of performance. While slotted aid venting/cooling, it also adds more wear and tear to the pads. If you aren't tracking your car, none of these options should be required unless they're not function bias.

[cmf]

Can't find it on the US site, hopefully they'll reply to my e-mail with a positive response. I really want those rotors. :D

[cmf]

As I thought, no dice in the US on those rotors. Here's my reply from Endless USA......

Thank you for your interest in Endless USA. We do not yet have replacement rotors for the TSX available. However, we do have a brake kit which is available for the TSX. If you only want upgraded stock sized rotors, my advice would be to wait a few weeks until we can update our product database.

Please feel free to contact me regarding any questions, comments, or concerns you may have.

Sincerely,

Dominic Chen, Representative
Endless USA

[StopTech]

King motorsports has StopTech on their car.
Front
http://www.stoptech.com/productphotos/tsx/img/front.jpg
Rear
http://www.stoptech.com/productphotos/tsx/img/rear.jpg

[Joker]

King motorsports has StopTech on their car.
I like it a lot :nod: :thumbsup:

[cmf]

I think I am done with StopTechs for now. Not that it is a bad product, just shitty luck on my side with my product and customer service. :thumbsdow

[tsx on dubs]

im happy with my rotora kit and they are suppose to be done with the rear kit here soon for the tsx ..david

[Cyde]

Rear
http://www.stoptech.com/productphotos/tsx/img/rear.jpg

danm it's the rear setup i'm interested in! how much??

[tuan209]

nice..... i like that kit too.


btw...wht size rims are those?

[LOC888]

LOC888 - My source is not available to public. Please refer to your usual JDM performance parts stockist for pricing and shipping availability ala IS Racing.
Thanks Noel, I'll ask Chris at IS..

[StopTech]

Those wheels are 18" Mugen wheels with what looks like a 10mm spacer. The car actually looks better with the space because it gives the car a wider track. This car also has the Mugen suspension on it which rides quite nice.

The rear kit alone retails for $3,295. The caliper is machined from a solid piece of billet aluminum. It takes a lot of time to come up with such a piece. The parking brake caliper is also made from solid aluminum.

Getting front and rear at the same time will get a better deal, but i have to confirm pricing. Keep in mind that these kits are made with the StopTech philosophy of maintaining brake balance.

[speedyturtle]

So Noel, or other knowledgeable folks, which brake pad upgrade would you suggest to improve brake feel and fade resistance for mostly street and moderate track use?

Thanks!!

[happy_aggies]

Get a set of SS Brake lines, Axxis Ultimate, and ATE Superblue Brakefluid.

[Noel]

I'd go with the Endless options listed on page 1 that I've mentioned.

[ixhead00]

I'm very pleased with my StopTech front/rear big brake kit on my 2005 TSX. Special thanks to Bob Lee and the guys at StopTech! I bought my kit from Dave Zeckhausen at www.ZeckhausenRacing.com Highly recommend Dave! Check out my car posted on his site under Acura TSX. Also, you can find some other pictures of my car below:


Priorities First: Captain Jack Sparrow (Rear Seat Driver)
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17711lk.jpg


The Mystery Pulleys:
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17685ls.jpg


More UR Pulley
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17672ie.jpg


Mugen Intake
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17663wv.jpg


CompTech Titanium Upper Strut Tower
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17658sd.jpg


Navi & Mugen 6-speed Shifter
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17646fx.jpg


StopTech Front & Rear Big Brake Kit + BBS RS-GT 18" Rims
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17637cj.jpg


Mugen Exhaust
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17621tn.jpg

[ixhead00]

Oops! I should have included these too:

StopTech Front Kit + BBS RS-GT 18" Rims
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img...=img17584zn.jpg

StopTech Rear Kit + BBS RS-GT 18" Rims
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img...=img17596ow.jpg

[ixhead00]

Double Oops! Operator error on the last try . . . maybe the old guy will get it right this time!

StopTech Front & Rear Big Brake Kit + BBS RS-GT 18" Rims
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17637cj.jpg


Profile Of "The Black Pearl"
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17606gu.jpg


StopTech Rear Brakes
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17596ow.jpg


StopTech Front Brakes
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17584zn.jpg


Jack's Black Pearl
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17600gw.jpg

[cmf]

Double Oops! Operator error on the last try . . . maybe the old guy will get it right this time!

StopTech Front & Rear Big Brake Kit + BBS RS-GT 18" Rims
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17637cj.jpg


Profile Of "The Black Pearl"
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17606gu.jpg


StopTech Rear Brakes
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17596ow.jpg


StopTech Front Brakes
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17584zn.jpg


Jack's Black Pearl
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17600gw.jpg


With the front set-up, is that a picture right after washing the car? I am curious to see (like always) how close the pad runs next to the black coating of the hat on the rotor surface. It looks like it doesn't meet up too close, but not as far off as the OEM replacement rotors they make.
Don't guess you could do a quick run and stop and snap a pic after having done that, eh?

[loxllxol]

Double Oops! Operator error on the last try . . . maybe the old guy will get it right this time!

StopTech Front & Rear Big Brake Kit + BBS RS-GT 18" Rims
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17637cj.jpg


Profile Of "The Black Pearl"
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17606gu.jpg


StopTech Rear Brakes
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17596ow.jpg


StopTech Front Brakes
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17584zn.jpg


Jack's Black Pearl
http://img138.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img138&image=img17600gw.jpg

WOW!! You have quite a nice list of QUALITY parts there mister! Is the Stoptech kit really worth 5k??

Also, for the UR pullies, is that from a RSX? From what I know the TSX kit is still in production. PLEASE let us know!

[tsx on dubs]

damn rotora needs to hurry up with the damn rears .My car looks like its missing something back there with them lil tiny rotors and calipers

[ixhead00]

So did mine (my little dog, Captain Jack Sparrow, can relate about missing rear parts) before I put the StopTech rear kit on it. The rear is quite expensive due to the parking brake. It was darn embarassing looking at those small rotors! I highly recommend Dave Zeckhausen at www.zeckhausenracing.com or 973.761.5054.

[JoeB18R]

http://img210.exs.cx/img210/2029/driversrimbrake9rx.jpg

I have AEM 12" slotted front and 11" slotted rear rotors, BF Goodridge stainless steel braided brake lines, Hawk HPS brake pads and Motoul RBF600 DOT3 racing brake fluid.

All of this adds up to MUCH better feel then stock, NO fade and bad ass car-halting powAz.

If you want to get into it though, the best single upgrade you can make to make your car top better are better tires. The stickier the tire the faster your car will stop. It doesnt matter if you have the biggest and best brakes in the world, it all comes down to the available traction afforted by your rubber. end of story.

[pocketkiller]

sorry to interrupt here, but I'm interested in some high performance brake pads as well. Although I see no reason to change them out until the factory break pads need replacing. I will be getting new tires in several months, as I have driven 31k miles already. At what point should I replace the brake pads as well? The maintainance manual says nothing about when to change brake pads.

[cmf]

http://img210.exs.cx/img210/2029/driversrimbrake9rx.jpg

I have AEM 12" slotted front and 11" slotted rear rotors, BF Goodridge stainless steel braided brake lines, Hawk HPS brake pads and Motoul RBF600 DOT3 racing brake fluid.

All of this adds up to MUCH better feel then stock, NO fade and bad ass car-halting powAz.

If you want to get into it though, the best single upgrade you can make to make your car top better are better tires. The stickier the tire the faster your car will stop. It doesnt matter if you have the biggest and best brakes in the world, it all comes down to the available traction afforted by your rubber. end of story.

How did you upgrade the size of your rotor without changing the caliper? Do you have some type of bracket holding things together?

[loxllxol]

How did you upgrade the size of your rotor without changing the caliper? Do you have some type of bracket holding things together?


That's a CIVIC SI...not a TSX. That's how :)

[JoeB18R]

there was a relocation bracket that came with the rotors. Hence the "OEM big brake upgrade kit" product name.

As for the other guy asking about what pads to get, unless you spend a LOT of time on the track (auto-x, road race) Id get the Hawk HPS pads. They dont eat up your rotor, dont dust any more then stock, make no noise, dont need to heatup all sorts to actually work. and will not fade under pretty much any street driving condition, performance or otherwise.

[JoeB18R]

That's a CIVIC SI...not a TSX. That's how :)

doesnt matter what car it is.

[Vegito]

Just to confirm, endless pads on stock rotor is fine right ?

[JoeB18R]

yes but they tend to eat up rotors quicker then normal. i would stick with the Hawk HPS pads.

[Noel]

The compound material defines "eating" rotors, there are many applications in Endless and putting a blanket statement on all of them is just like saying all Hawk Pads are equal to another.

If you stick with using the "street" type pads from Endless, they'd put out similar wear and tear compared to OEM pads.

[loxllxol]

doesnt matter what car it is.


Yes it does. You can't use the Civic SI BBK on a TSX.

[cmf]

But he is still using his stock caliper with an upgraded rotor size. Point is, you can plus size a rotor without changing out calipers.

[SnS]

Hi

Would like to check any folks out that using the above rims ? And can it fix the spoon monoblock caliper.

S&S

[JoeB18R]

But he is still using his stock caliper with an upgraded rotor size. Point is, you can plus size a rotor without changing out calipers.

exactly.

BTW I was refering to the endless "street" pads.

[jsmonet]

i've used stoptech rotors before, and a friend had a full rotora bbk. both setups were quite nice, and both are located here in so cal

if you're going with stock-sized rotors in x-drilled or slotted forms AND are looking for more initial bite, then you're modifying the wrong spot. same with going with oversized rotors. the pad, caliper, and tires determine how well the vehicle will brake initially. the rotor's mass will determine braking consistency, and slots/holes will help vent gasses trapped between the pad and rotor-a problem nearly nonexistant now.

if you're suffering brake fade you have two problems. your pads are above their optimal temp and your rotor does not have enough mass and cooling efficiency to keep from overheating. a big brake kit will typically add mass and better venting to keep the rotor cooler under repeated heavy braking, providing a more consistent and reliable brake setup.

then again, if you boil your brake fluid this is all moot and you're going to crash and die in a fire anyway.

[JoeB18R]

or hit someone with your minivan...

[jsmonet]

lol, ass, i hit the minivan. 30-something~0 in 10 feet, baby. stop on a dime and have change (to the tune of 16k in damage, at least)

[Cyde]

philosophy of maintaining brake balance.

finally somone that agrees with me on the importance of break balance.

unfortunatley the StopTech setup is out of my budget.. :drool1:

Rite now, i'm changing to my second set of rotors and 3rd set of pads, i'm using Hawk HPS but have new hawk full ceramics and elf 5.1 brake fluid comming in on order. But i can't find any aftermarket rotors(prefer sloted not drilled) that will fit my TSX any help guy?? thanks

[Noel]

Second set of rotors, third set of pads? Wow, you must give alot of punishment to the brake system ... There are 2 manufacturers I'd recommend for replacement rotors along with weight reduction.

Endless S6 - Slotted Replacement, Heat Treated.
Project Mu SCR PRO - 2 Piece + Aluminium Hat, Slotted Replacement, Heat Treated.

[Cyde]

Second set of rotors, third set of pads? Wow, you must give alot of punishment to the brake system ... There are 2 manufacturers I'd recommend for replacement rotors along with weight reduction.

Endless S6 - Slotted Replacement, Heat Treated.
Project Mu SCR PRO - 2 Piece + Aluminium Hat, Slotted Replacement, Heat Treated.

ouch how much is that going to cost me? sounds expensive?
Thanks Noel!

it's just alot of crazy drivers don't know how to drive and intentionally block me on the highway,, geez i'm going 125k and i have to suden brake because they think their way is the only way.. and daily stop and go traffic in the city is a killer on the car.. i'm trying to baby the car more now, but i've also gone throu 3 rad caps and on to my forth, and melted the oem Oil cap, and those spoon socks are keeping my liquids from spilling all over

[Noel]

Wow, your driving sounds like a true punishment to the car ... Destroyed 3 radiator caps and melted the engine oil cap? Whao! I'm astonished!

Check with your local distributors/resellers for pricing, the Project Mu are much cheaper than the Endless ones.

[cmf]

Second set of rotors, third set of pads? Wow, you must give alot of punishment to the brake system ... There are 2 manufacturers I'd recommend for replacement rotors along with weight reduction.

Endless S6 - Slotted Replacement, Heat Treated.
Project Mu SCR PRO - 2 Piece + Aluminium Hat, Slotted Replacement, Heat Treated.

Noel--

I've been looking all over for the Project Mu replacement rotors. I believe the brake systems on the TSX and the Jap spec Accord are the same. I have asked US distributors and they said they are unavailable.
Can you verify they are obtainable? I would like to see if there is some way I can order these, doesn't matter which ones, as long as they are direct replacement rotors.

[Noel]

Apologies all, no application available from Endless nor Project Mu for the CL7/9 at this stage. To be advised ... Sorry all.

[Cyde]

Wow, your driving sounds like a true punishment to the car ... Destroyed 3 radiator caps and melted the engine oil cap? Whao! I'm astonished!

Check with your local distributors/resellers for pricing, the Project Mu are much cheaper than the Endless ones.

I'm hereing this woblee wooching sound when the wheels start spining from stop or slowing to stop, i think my hub barring are gone too? *sigh* to much to fix...

I checked with rep today;
Actually the endless ones cost less! cuz the replacement are single peice about $300 each
Project-Mu is alot more expensive, about $500-700 each cuz it's two piece

P.S. Noel when we ask you the price, we're not actually asking how much you get it or sell it for or sell it to us, but we are asking as friends, and as a friend how much would you say we should pay for it or what is a price we sould exspect as reasonable? we respect you confidentiality agreement you have with your respective companies

[Noel]

Can't address your hubcentric concerns unless I actually see it, but I'm sure any competent mechanic will be able to address just by a simple visual inspection.

The price for the Endless ones, are they simply blanks or are they slotted? In my experience, that looks like blanks where they are heat treated OEM rotors instead of an improvement. If that's so, comparing the SCR-PRO from Project Mu would be quite different since they're different application products.

As for pricing guidelines, I prefer not to make a comment in regards generally due to geographical location and currency exchange rates. It's quite different if you were in Australia or something, that way I'd always provide a "relevant ballpark figure". I can however provide a base figure from Japan on an inquiry if required instead.

[StopTech]

finally somone that agrees with me on the importance of break balance.

unfortunatley the StopTech setup is out of my budget.. :drool1:

Rite now, i'm changing to my second set of rotors and 3rd set of pads, i'm using Hawk HPS but have new hawk full ceramics and elf 5.1 brake fluid comming in on order. But i can't find any aftermarket rotors(prefer sloted not drilled) that will fit my TSX any help guy?? thanks
We have direct replacement rotors as well.