I will buy new TSX. Help me

[Hacker]

Hello

Nice to see you guys in the club.
My screen name is "Hacker"

This is my first time to buy a new car in the U.S. and I'm a foreigner; thus, dealing with car dealers is not convenient to me since the OTD prices are almost fixed in my country.

Dear's purchase offer to me $26,350 and total drive-away investment $27500 including TAX, document fee, title fee.

2005 style TSX, ABP color, protection package, cargo net w/o naviagion

1) Do you think this is a good deal?

Dealer told me that ABP color is not common so that it will take less than 1 month to get my TSX and $500 was added to bring it from another state. Also he said he could not tell the deadline when I will get my car.
Final purchase offer is $26350.

However, when I gave him a diposit $500, he said "I will call you until tomorrow to inform you the APR and the date to get the TSX". However during the 2 weeks after temporary contract, he had never called me.
Whenever I called him, he said "I'm trying to find your car almost there, I'm doing my best".

Also, When I called him to ask about my APR, he said "My finance manager want to talk to me. so can you call my finance manager?"
I think I am a client of the dealer shop so that they have to call me when they have some questions for my car but they wait for my call.

Do you know what the finance manager want me to send after 2 weeks?
---- Bank statements.
At first, they must ask me to send the bank statement a few day after the temporary contract if they want to process my car quickly.

2) These kinds of rude manner is common for car dealers in the U.S.?

3) If so, is this the racism? or is he lazy?

the transfortation of my area is really sucks.. it is very inconvenient without a car..

I love TSX.

If he is ignoring me, I want to change my dealer.
What do you think about my questions?

Thank you for reading my poor English..

PS
I'm sorry to complain about my dealer at first time.

My hobby is to DIY(Do It Yourself) for only interior parts.
I had a few experiences to do DIY e.g, to make my own and unique instrument panel, to change all bulbs from green to red LED including display of audio and temperature, to make own tail lamps ( not finished before leaving my country :-) ), etc.
I hope my DIY will give you convenient things.
Have a great day..

[johnej]

Welcome to the club Hacker

[larchmont]

It doesn't sound great.
I'm not saying I know it's bad, just that it doesn't sound great.
I would be concerned that even after things get worked out, they still might give you more problems, like maybe additional delays in getting the car.

Racism?? I don't think so. But it might be something related: They might feel that as a foreigner (and especially if you seem not totally sure of yourself), you won't demand much from them, so they don't have to try too hard to take care of things for you.

About the price: It seems OK.
But something is not clear: Does the $26,350 INCLUDE the extra $500 for bringing from another state?? If so, that's pretty good, even though this extra charge seems VERY unusual. If it DOESN'T include that extra $500, it's still not a bad price, but not great.

If I were in your position, I would tell the dealer that I am not happy about how they have dealt with me so far, and that they would please need to find a way to make me feel more confident about my dealings with them.

I hope this is helpful. I think others might have suggestions too.

[johnej]

I am with you Larch. What you just said seems to be the logical steps that needs to happen...

[joerockt]

Well this is a tough one. Do you have any friends here that might be able to help you out? Like Larch said, its an ok deal.

Why are you so set on ABP? If they really cant get it, pick another color. Or, start calling around to other dealers and see if they dont have them on the lot.

[Hacker]

Thanks for your consideration..

To Larchmont,
$26,350 includes the extra $500 for bringing from another state.
The cost of the 05 TSX ABP + protection package + cargo net + extra charge for bringing form another state is $26350 and OTD is $27500.
One of my friends in another state talked to my dealer yesterday and he said he would bring my car until next week, Tomorrow I will call him and say why I was upset..

Thanks

[Hacker]

To Joerockt
The ABP color is that I want.
I will not buy TSX with different color.
When I saw ABP TSX, I fell in love with the TSX
At first, I would like to buy RX-8, 350z in here, but when I saw ABP TSX, my mind was changed to get my lovely ABP TSX.

In my state, NC, there is no ABP TSX auto w/o NAVI...
All dealers in NC said there is no ABP TSX in NC..

Thanks for your advices

[larchmont]

That's what can happen with an "exclusive" car like the TSX. (Seriously.)

Larchmont, who compromised on color to get his car fast.
And has no regrets.

[Hacker]

I will start to deal with other dealers in here if my dealer will not give me TSX until next friday..

[Hacker]

larchmont
What is your first color for TSX?

[sixspeed]

Probably not what you want to hear but it wasn't a good thing to give a deposit without finalizing the deal - in this case the APR. Your car may cost you thousands more in long term, depending on what fees and rate they slap on you.

Try to visit your local bank(s) and see if you can get a loan from them. This way you don't have to complicate your deal with the dealership.

By the way, I was willing to wait 3 weeks for my car because of color and I'm glad I did.

[Revenent]

If you're going to stick to ABP as a colour choice, then I suggest not committing to any dealer at all. The more uncommitted you sound, the more likely they'll try to help (totally opposite of what reality should be, but that's sales for you).

As for asking for APR and stuff, don't ask for that type of information until you've gotten a fixed final price. Otherwise, they start playing number games and it can easily confuse most consumers without some sort of math degree.

I never gave a deposit for my car, and I got the colour choice I wanted (CG/EN/Non-Navi) - but I never committed to anything - including price, until they confirmed multiple times that the car was there, and they were willing to hold it with no deposit. (January 2004, Seattle, Washington - cash purchase)

Also, what area are you in? If there are other members in your area, they might know of a dealership or salesperson to talk to that could give a more pleasant buying experience.

[robert_tg]

Welcome hacker :wavey:

First: I don't like the dealer taking $500 "deposit" from you. That does not sound right to me :nono:
Second: Try other financing alternatives. Compare the options.
Third: I assume you have been comparing on-line quotes ?

How about ABP WITH Navigation ? would you consider getting the Nav ? are you flexible on spening a bit more if that option is available ?

So if "ABP WITH Navigation" is easily available - right there they supposedly should knock off that stupid "$500", skip the phony "protection package" so perhaps YOUR offer could be 27.5K ?

[larchmont]

larchmont
What is your first color for TSX?
Seriously, I never had a chance to even think about it at the time.
The only choices I had were Carbon Grey or Ebony, unless I wanted to wait a very long time. I didn't really like either one, but I knew I wasn't going to wait longer for another color, so I didn't even look at what other colors there were.
If I'd had a choice of everything, I probably would have gone for Arctic Blue, like you.
Later on, when I saw all the colors in "real life," I liked Meteor Silver even better.

P.S. When I got my car, it took about 2 minutes for me to be THRILLED with the Carbon Grey. No regrets at all.
I never thought color was such a big deal about a car, although of course I do try to get what I want the most.

[Hacker]

My OTD price is $27500 (05 ABP auto w/o navi including TAX, doumentation fee, tag, protection package and cargo net)

I am flexible on spending a more money, but I like the PDA navigation system more than navigation system. in the future I will install PDA navigation system.

I thought that deposit was common. I was stupid..
( the dealer said I needed the deposit to bring the TSX from another state)

Anyway, I got answers today from my dealer.
my TSX is on its way accross the Pacific from Japan. It finished production and left 1/7. It should arrive in California and be shipping to us next week.

I will have more patience.
Thanks for your consideration TSX club members

Have a great day

[larchmont]

I also would have thought you had to give a deposit.

BTW.....you can always get your deposit back, as long as you haven't gotten the car yet.

[Revenent]

I also would have thought you had to give a deposit.

BTW.....you can always get your deposit back, as long as you haven't gotten the car yet.
Deposits are only generally needed if the car isn't on the lot - or if the car is really in demand.

I just waited until the one I wanted arrived.

[larchmont]

I would guess (pretty confidently) that you put yourself at a disadvantage if you don't give a deposit. Like in how much attention they give your order, and how long it takes to get your car.

But there might be a lot of things that put you at a disadvantage, like (IMO) getting a real good deal.

I didn't want to do anything that risked my being at a disadvantage, so I:
(1) Gave a deposit
(2) Didn't negotiate.

Larchmont, who certainly doesn't recommend this approach. :D
And who was desperate to get the TSX.

[pocketkiller]

My OTD price is $27500 (05 ABP auto w/o navi including TAX, doumentation fee, tag, protection package and cargo net)

I am flexible on spending a more money, but I like the PDA navigation system more than navigation system. in the future I will install PDA navigation system.

I thought that deposit was common. I was stupid..
( the dealer said I needed the deposit to bring the TSX from another state)

Anyway, I got answers today from my dealer.
my TSX is on its way accross the Pacific from Japan. It finished production and left 1/7. It should arrive in California and be shipping to us next week.

I will have more patience.
Thanks for your consideration TSX club members

Have a great day

If your ABP TSX is coming from Japan, then why did your dealer charge you $500 to bring it in from another state? It seems like he was just stringing you along until the TSX you wanted came up on his monthly import shipment list. It doesn't seem like he is trading TSX from another dealership in a different state. You should not pay the $500 he asked. I would call Acura Client Services about that, but depending on your state, the dealership is allowed to charge you anything he wants for different things...so the dealer could be well within his legal rights charging you that money. I live in California, so I don't know the laws in North Carolina.

[larchmont]

I'm sure he's within his legal rights, but I agree that it sounds like a BS charge.

But I don't think it matters. Obviously they're not desperate to sell it for that overall price, so they might not have been willing to sell it for any less -- regardless of how the total was broken down.
i.e. If the BS charge was eliminated, they might say the "regular" charge needs to be raised, or they're not interested.

[joerockt]

I also would have thought you had to give a deposit.

BTW.....you can always get your deposit back, as long as you haven't gotten the car yet.

I just put a 100 dollar deposit on my CG 6MT. Even signed something that said I would get the check back no matter what happened. They never deposited the check (which was stated) and got the car within a week.

Edit: Also, the deposit INSURED that I would get the next CG 6MT they could get their hands on. If someone else came in and was looking for the same thing, they would have had first dibs. So, its worth it...

[Hacker]

If your ABP TSX is coming from Japan, then why did your dealer charge you $500 to bring it in from another state? It seems like he was just stringing you along until the TSX you wanted came up on his monthly import shipment list. It doesn't seem like he is trading TSX from another dealership in a different state. You should not pay the $500 he asked. I would call Acura Client Services about that, but depending on your state, the dealership is allowed to charge you anything he wants for different things...so the dealer could be well within his legal rights charging you that money. I live in California, so I don't know the laws in North Carolina.

Thanks for your advice.
I called my dealer and I got extra discount $300

My OTD price is $27300 including protection package and cargo net..

I'm really appreciate your advice.
I saved $300 owing to your advice.

Have a great day

[larchmont]

Thanks for your advice.
I called my dealer and I got extra discount $300

My OTD price is $27300 including protection package and cargo net..

I'm really appreciate your advice.
I saved $300 owing to your advice.

Have a great day
HEY, EVERYBODY -- LOOK AT THIS!!!!!!!

Score a BIG ONE for PK!!!! :bowdown1:

And also score a big one for Hacker for relying on us. :nod:

[Revenent]

HEY, EVERYBODY -- LOOK AT THIS!!!!!!!

Score a BIG ONE for PK!!!! :bowdown1:

And also score a big one for Hacker for relying on us. :nod:
Niiiiice! $27,300 OTD is pretty damn good. I paid more than that when I bought my TSX.

[robert_tg]

PK is going to heaven

[Hacker]

I made the mistake to write the correct price..

My OTD price was $27600 ( But I wrote $27500. I think I was upset and crazy at that time.. )
But my OTD price is $27300 ($300 discount)

I will pray for happiness of PK and TSX club members.
I appreciate your kindness and consideration.

Have a great weekend..

Hacker!!!

[Revenent]

Remember to post pictures when you get the car! :)

[larchmont]

I made the mistake to write the correct price..

My OTD price was $27600 ( But I wrote $27500. I think I was upset and crazy at that time.. )
As they say with government work, "Close enough." :D
I will pray for happiness of PK and TSX club members.
I appreciate your kindness and consideration.

Have a great weekend..

Hacker!!!
All same to you! Glad it worked out so well!!!

Larchmont, who likes politeness.

[Revenent]

As they say with government work, "Close enough." :D

:lol:

Sounds like my tax statements. :)

[larchmont]

:lol:

Sounds like my tax statements. :)
When you call the IRS with a question, what amount of the time do you think they give you the "right" answer?

Only about two-thirds of the time, supposedly.

Larchmont, who thinks that figure gives them all the benefit of the doubt. :D

[Revenent]

When you call the IRS with a question, what amount of the time do you think they give you the "right" answer?

Only about two-thirds of the time, supposedly.

Larchmont, who thinks that figure gives them all the benefit of the doubt. :D
Wait, wait - they're supposed to give answers??????

Holy crap!!!!!! I need to call the offices you call.

:D

[Hacker]

Remember to post pictures when you get the car! :)

Sure,
I will post pictures ASAP..

[Revenent]

Sure,
I will post pictures ASAP..
:thumbsup:

More pictures = good! :)

[APOGEE]

More pics = great

[Revenent]

More pics = great
Hey, stop copying what I say!!! :)

[bob shiftright]

Wait, wait - they're supposed to give answers??????

Holy crap!!!!!! I need to call the offices you call.

:D

It doesn't matter because tax courts have long held that the IRS and it's agents aren't responsible for the accuracy of any advice they might give!


:blackbat:

[APOGEE]

It doesn't matter because tax courts have long held that the IRS and it's agents aren't responsible for the accuracy of any advice they might give!


:blackbat:

Figures! You get screwed no matter what? :buttkick:

[Revenent]

Figures! You get screwed no matter what? :buttkick:
Sigh, I like Canada Revenue a lot better then. You can actually hold them accountable for the advice that they give.

[larchmont]

It doesn't matter because tax courts have long held that the IRS and it's agents aren't responsible for the accuracy of any advice they might give!


:blackbat:
Interesting....

But I'd think at least whatever they tell you would be good protection against anything serious like "fraud" etc., and it would give you a strong argument even against penalties.

I'd think the most they would do is say, "No, that was wrong," and make you pay the tax difference (plus interest).

Larchmont, who guesses a lot. :D

[Revenent]

Interesting....

But I'd think at least whatever they tell you would be good protection against anything serious like "fraud" etc., and it would give you a strong argument even against penalties.

I'd think the most they would do is say, "No, that was wrong," and make you pay the tax difference (plus interest).

Larchmont, who guesses a lot. :D
My dad used to do all my taxes when I was in school, so I didn't know squat.

Now, I'm learning the hard way - through experience. Thank goodness I don't have a complicated tax return.

Haven't had to call them up yet!

[pocketkiller]

Thanks for your advice.
I called my dealer and I got extra discount $300

My OTD price is $27300 including protection package and cargo net..

I'm really appreciate your advice.
I saved $300 owing to your advice.

Have a great day

I'm glad you were able to use this information to your advantage and get more discount. I would be interested to hear exactly what you told your dealer, and what his response was?

[Hacker]

Pk
This is email that you want to know

Dear XXXXX ( My dear's name is XXXXX :-) )

I was under the impression that you are gonna get my TSX from another
dealership.
That's why I agreed to pay you $27600 OTD because it would cost you about
$500 to bring the vehicle from another dealership. If my TSX is coming from
Japan, then I think you should deduct $500 from the agreed price of $27600
OTD.

I heard from my friend YYYYY (one of my frineds who help me to deal with my dealer) that you told him it wouldn't take more than 3
weeks for you to deliver the vehicle to me, but now it seems like it's gonna
take about 4 weeks. To be honest, I think you were just stringing me along
until the TSX I wanted came up on your monthly import shipment list. If I
opted to buy the TSX from dealer's lot, I could have gotten one for $27200
OTD from another
dealership and you know that monthly import shipment will cost same as the
cars in your lot. Therefore, I am kindly asking you to sell me the vehicle
for $27100 OTD. I would like to hear from you ASAP. Thank you.

-->
This is my email that I emailed my dealer.
I wrote it and my friend(YYYYY) edited and correct it.

Another Dealer's offer was $27200 ( 05 TSX without options)
current dealer's offer was $27600 (05 TSX with protection package and cargo net)
From PK's advice, my dealer offered $27300 (05 TSX with protection package and cargo net)

I truly appreciate your advice.

PS
For the privacy, I changed the name of my dealer and my friend into XXXXX and YYYYY.

[pocketkiller]

Great job, I love your e-mail! I bet the dealer was starting to hate me when he read your e-mail. Do you have an e-mail response from the dealer, or did he call you on the phone?

[Hacker]

Great job, I love your e-mail! I bet the dealer was starting to hate me when he read your e-mail. Do you have an e-mail response from the dealer, or did he call you on the phone?

He emailed me and said that he could make a consilatory offer to me of a total purchase value of $27300 OTD in the end.

However, he looked upset because of the expression "stringing you along on the location"

[pocketkiller]

He emailed me and said that he could make a consilatory offer to me of a total purchase value of $27300 OTD in the end.

However, he looked upset because of the expression "stringing you along on the location"

Oh I see. Well he shouldn't be upset, because he was stringing you along on the location. First he said he'll get it from another dealership, and then he said it's coming from Japan. So he's probably just acting like that, so he doesn't get in trouble for lying to you. I hope you get your TSX soon. Mine took about 1 week once it was coming from Japan.