09 TSX Rattle Noise On Cold Start
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There's a TSB about a rattle on cold startup, especially in cold weather. It might be a VTC actuator.
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Acura engine rattle at cold start - Automotive Service Professional
I have been having the same issue. I took my car to the dealership on 3 separate occasions and every time the dealership has said there is nothing wrong with my car. The service rep has blamed it on moisture build up, not starting my car correctly, and putting cheap gas in my car. I even contacted corporate and got a case number. The case worker was just as helpless as the dealership. After seeing this forum, I now have something to go on.
Engine noise for 2 seconds on cold startup
I had the same problem a rattling engine noise for 2 seconds on cold days below 32 degrees Fahrenheit on my 2009 TSX. Took it to the dealer and they replaced the VCT actuator and the timing chain. They had the car for a week. After that no more engine noise.
I had the same problem a rattling engine noise for 2 seconds on cold days below 32 degrees Fahrenheit on my 2009 TSX. Took it to the dealer and they replaced the VCT actuator and the timing chain. They had the car for a week. After that no more engine noise.
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October 6, 2012
Applies To:
2009 TSX L4 - ALL
2010 TSX L4 - From VIN JH4CU2...AC000001 thru JH4CU2...AC027068
Engine Rattles at Cold Start-Up
(Supersedes 10-024, dated November 17, 2010; see REVISION SUMMARY)
REVISION SUMMARY
This service bulletin has been revised extensively. American Honda recommends that you review the entire bulletin.
SYMPTOM
At cold start-up, the engine rattles loudly for about 2 seconds.
PROBABLE CAUSE
The variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator is defective.
CORRECTIVE ACTION
Replace the VTC actuator. This procedure does not require the complete removal of the cam chain and associated parts, so repair time is much shorter.
PARTS INFORMATION
VTC Actuator: P/N 14310-R40-A01
REQUIRED MATERIALS
Hondabond HT Liquid Silicone Gasket
/N 08718-0004(One tube repairs about two vehicles.)
TOOL INFORMATION
Stopper (lock pin): P/N 14511-PNA-003
Tappet Adjuster: P/N 07MAA-PR70110
Tappet Locknut Wrench: P/N 07MAA-PR70120
WARRANTY CLAIM INFORMATION
The normal warranty applies.
Operation Number: 1101Z9
Flat Rate Time: 2.0 hours
Failed Part: P/N 14310-R40-A01
Defect Code: 03214
Symptom Code: 04201
Template ID: 10-024B
DIAGNOSIS
NOTE : If viewing this service bulletin on ISIS and your computer has sound, click on the picture below to hear a sample of the engine's rattle.
1. Allow the engine oil to drain from the VTC system by not starting the engine for at least 6 hours.
2. Start the engine, and immediately listen for a loud rattle.
On start-up, do you hear a loud engine rattle that lasts about 2 seconds?
Yes - Go to REPAIR PROCEDURE.
No -
^ If you hear a different noise, continue with normal troubleshooting.
^ If you don't hear an abnormal noise, get more information from the client and, if needed, continue with normal troubleshooting.
REPAIR PROCEDURE
NOTE : This procedure is in an outline form that you can also use as a checklist for the repair. If you need more details, bookmark the following procedures in the 2009-2010 TSX Service Manual, or view them online:
^ Cylinder Head Cover Removal
^ Cylinder Head Cover Installation
^ Valve Clearance Adjustment
1. Remove the frame (strut) brace (if equipped).
2. Remove the engine cover.
3. Remove the ignition coil cover and the ignition coils.
4. Remove the engine oil dipstick, then disconnect the breather hose and the brake booster vacuum hose from the cylinder head cover.
5. Remove the two bolts holding the EVAP canister purge valve bracket to the cylinder head.
6. Remove the cylinder head cover.
7. Raise the vehicle on a lift.
8. Turn the front wheels or remove the right front wheel.
9. Remove the splash shield to provide access to the crankshaft pulley.
10. Remove the camshaft auto-tensioner (chain case) cover.
11. Rotate the crankshaft clockwise to top dead center (TDC) No.1 cylinder.
12. Rotate the crankshaft counterclockwise to compress the auto-tensioner. Align the hole in the lock and auto-tensioner, then insert a 1.2 mm (0.05 in) diameter stopper (lock pin).
13. Rotate the crankshaft clockwise to TDC No.1 cylinder.
14. Lower the vehicle.
15. Mark the timing chain at the punch marks on the exhaust camshaft sprocket and VTC actuator. Secure the chain to the sprocket with a wire tie.
16. Loosen the camshaft holder bolts, in sequence, two turns at a time.
17. Remove the five camshaft holders. Set them aside on a clean surface in the exact order and position that they were removed from the cylinder head.
18. Carefully tip up the end of the intake camshaft until there is enough slack for an assistant to lift the chain off the VTC actuator teeth.
19. Remove the intake camshaft/VTC actuator assembly while the assistant keeps light tension on the chain. Place the camshaft/VTC actuator assembly on a clean, padded workbench.
20. Secure the timing chain to the A/C compressor hose using a wire or zip tie to keep it from falling into the front cover.
21. On the workbench, as an assistant holds the camshaft steady with an open-end wrench, remove the actuator mounting bolt, then separate the VTC actuator from the camshaft. Discard the faulty actuator.
22. Before installing the new VTC actuator, make sure it is in the unlocked position.
23. Install the new, unlocked VTC actuator onto the camshaft; do not force it on.
24. Once fitted, with the VTC actuator facing you, carefully rotate it counterclockwise until it engages the camshaft's locator pin. When installed and rotated this way, the VTC actuator will not lock. Apply clean engine oil to the mounting bolt threads, then install the mounting bolt finger tight.
NOTE :If the new VTC actuator is unlocked after installation on the camshaft, proceed to step 28. If the actuator is locked following installation on the camshaft, go to step 25..
25. To unlock a locked VTC actuator, apply clean engine oil to the mounting bolt threads, then install the mounting bolt on the actuator finger tight.
26. Seal pressure port #1 on the camshaft with several wraps of electrical tape. Secure the tape with a zip tie, as shown.
27. Apply compressed air to pressure port # 2. While air pressure is applied to pressure port # 2, rotate the VTC Actuator by hand in the direction shown (as needed) to unlock the VTC Actuator.
Verify the actuator has moved to the unlock position.
Afterward, make sure to remove all electrical tape and adhesive residue.
28. Have an assistant hold the camshaft/VTC actuator assembly steady on the padded workbench with an open-end wrench, use a torque wrench to torque the mounting bolt to 113 N.m (83 lb-ft).
NOTE : Be careful to not scratch or damage the camshaft. Also, do not use an impact wrench to tighten the mounting bolt; it will cause internal damage to the VTC actuator housing, vanes, or lockpin.
29. After the mounting bolt is torqued, rotate the VTC actuator to the locked position.
30. Remove the wire tie holding the chain to the AC compressor as an assistant keeps light tension on the chain.
31. Slide the camshaft/VTC actuator in at an angle so that the chain can slip overthe actuator's teeth.
32. Line up the marks you made on the chain with the punch marks on the exhaust camshaft sprocket and VTC actuator.
33. Apply engine oil to the journals and caps for both camshafts. Lower the camshaft/VTC actuator assembly onto its journals.
34. Install the camshaft holders. Tighten them down two turns at a time, starting in the middle and working your way outward, following the numbered sequence.
35. Remove the lock pin from the auto-tensioner, then remove the wire tie from the exhaust cam sprocket.
36. Rotate the crankshaft in the direction of engine rotation (clockwise) two full turns, then stop at the white TDC mark. Make sure both camshafts line up, as shown in step 15.
37. Inside the cylinder block, visually confirm that the timing chain is properly riding on its guide, and has not slipped behind the guide in the block. If so, realign the chain as needed.
38. Remove the old sealant, dry, reseal, then reinstall the auto4ensioner (chain case) cover.
NOTE : Wait 30 minutes before adding oil, if needed, and wait 3 hours before starting the engine.
39. Check and, if needed, adjust the valve clearance using a tappet adjuster.
Intake: 0.21 -0.25 mm (0.008 - 0.010 in)
Exhaust: 0.25-0.29 mm (0.010 - 0.011 in)
40. Following adjustment, use a tappet locknut wrench to torque the locknuts.
Intake and Exhaust: 14 Nm (10 lb-ft)
41. Raise the vehicle.
42. Reinstall the splash shield.
43. Straighten the wheels or reinstall the right front wheel (if removed).
44. Lower the vehicle.
45. Reinstall the cylinder head cover, tightening the bolts in three steps. In the final step, tighten all bolts, in sequence, to 12 N~m (8.7 lb-ft).
46. Reinstall the EVAP canister purge valve bracket.
47. Reinstall the engine oil dipstick, and reconnect the breather hose and the brake booster vacuum hose.
48. Reinstall the ignition coils and the ignition coil cover.
49. Reinstall the engine cover.
50. Reinstall the frame (strut) brace (if equipped). Torque the bolts to 22 N.m (16 lb-ft).
October 6, 2012
Applies To:
2009 TSX L4 - ALL
2010 TSX L4 - From VIN JH4CU2...AC000001 thru JH4CU2...AC027068
Engine Rattles at Cold Start-Up
(Supersedes 10-024, dated November 17, 2010; see REVISION SUMMARY)
REVISION SUMMARY
This service bulletin has been revised extensively. American Honda recommends that you review the entire bulletin.
SYMPTOM
At cold start-up, the engine rattles loudly for about 2 seconds.
PROBABLE CAUSE
The variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator is defective.
CORRECTIVE ACTION
Replace the VTC actuator. This procedure does not require the complete removal of the cam chain and associated parts, so repair time is much shorter.
PARTS INFORMATION
VTC Actuator: P/N 14310-R40-A01
REQUIRED MATERIALS
Hondabond HT Liquid Silicone Gasket
/N 08718-0004(One tube repairs about two vehicles.)TOOL INFORMATION
Stopper (lock pin): P/N 14511-PNA-003
Tappet Adjuster: P/N 07MAA-PR70110
Tappet Locknut Wrench: P/N 07MAA-PR70120
WARRANTY CLAIM INFORMATION
The normal warranty applies.
Operation Number: 1101Z9
Flat Rate Time: 2.0 hours
Failed Part: P/N 14310-R40-A01
Defect Code: 03214
Symptom Code: 04201
Template ID: 10-024B
DIAGNOSIS
NOTE : If viewing this service bulletin on ISIS and your computer has sound, click on the picture below to hear a sample of the engine's rattle.
1. Allow the engine oil to drain from the VTC system by not starting the engine for at least 6 hours.
2. Start the engine, and immediately listen for a loud rattle.
On start-up, do you hear a loud engine rattle that lasts about 2 seconds?
Yes - Go to REPAIR PROCEDURE.
No -
^ If you hear a different noise, continue with normal troubleshooting.
^ If you don't hear an abnormal noise, get more information from the client and, if needed, continue with normal troubleshooting.
REPAIR PROCEDURE
NOTE : This procedure is in an outline form that you can also use as a checklist for the repair. If you need more details, bookmark the following procedures in the 2009-2010 TSX Service Manual, or view them online:
^ Cylinder Head Cover Removal
^ Cylinder Head Cover Installation
^ Valve Clearance Adjustment
1. Remove the frame (strut) brace (if equipped).
2. Remove the engine cover.
3. Remove the ignition coil cover and the ignition coils.
4. Remove the engine oil dipstick, then disconnect the breather hose and the brake booster vacuum hose from the cylinder head cover.
5. Remove the two bolts holding the EVAP canister purge valve bracket to the cylinder head.
6. Remove the cylinder head cover.
7. Raise the vehicle on a lift.
8. Turn the front wheels or remove the right front wheel.
9. Remove the splash shield to provide access to the crankshaft pulley.
10. Remove the camshaft auto-tensioner (chain case) cover.
11. Rotate the crankshaft clockwise to top dead center (TDC) No.1 cylinder.
12. Rotate the crankshaft counterclockwise to compress the auto-tensioner. Align the hole in the lock and auto-tensioner, then insert a 1.2 mm (0.05 in) diameter stopper (lock pin).
13. Rotate the crankshaft clockwise to TDC No.1 cylinder.
14. Lower the vehicle.
15. Mark the timing chain at the punch marks on the exhaust camshaft sprocket and VTC actuator. Secure the chain to the sprocket with a wire tie.
16. Loosen the camshaft holder bolts, in sequence, two turns at a time.
17. Remove the five camshaft holders. Set them aside on a clean surface in the exact order and position that they were removed from the cylinder head.
18. Carefully tip up the end of the intake camshaft until there is enough slack for an assistant to lift the chain off the VTC actuator teeth.
19. Remove the intake camshaft/VTC actuator assembly while the assistant keeps light tension on the chain. Place the camshaft/VTC actuator assembly on a clean, padded workbench.
20. Secure the timing chain to the A/C compressor hose using a wire or zip tie to keep it from falling into the front cover.
21. On the workbench, as an assistant holds the camshaft steady with an open-end wrench, remove the actuator mounting bolt, then separate the VTC actuator from the camshaft. Discard the faulty actuator.
22. Before installing the new VTC actuator, make sure it is in the unlocked position.
23. Install the new, unlocked VTC actuator onto the camshaft; do not force it on.
24. Once fitted, with the VTC actuator facing you, carefully rotate it counterclockwise until it engages the camshaft's locator pin. When installed and rotated this way, the VTC actuator will not lock. Apply clean engine oil to the mounting bolt threads, then install the mounting bolt finger tight.
NOTE :If the new VTC actuator is unlocked after installation on the camshaft, proceed to step 28. If the actuator is locked following installation on the camshaft, go to step 25..
25. To unlock a locked VTC actuator, apply clean engine oil to the mounting bolt threads, then install the mounting bolt on the actuator finger tight.
26. Seal pressure port #1 on the camshaft with several wraps of electrical tape. Secure the tape with a zip tie, as shown.
27. Apply compressed air to pressure port # 2. While air pressure is applied to pressure port # 2, rotate the VTC Actuator by hand in the direction shown (as needed) to unlock the VTC Actuator.
Verify the actuator has moved to the unlock position.
Afterward, make sure to remove all electrical tape and adhesive residue.
28. Have an assistant hold the camshaft/VTC actuator assembly steady on the padded workbench with an open-end wrench, use a torque wrench to torque the mounting bolt to 113 N.m (83 lb-ft).
NOTE : Be careful to not scratch or damage the camshaft. Also, do not use an impact wrench to tighten the mounting bolt; it will cause internal damage to the VTC actuator housing, vanes, or lockpin.
29. After the mounting bolt is torqued, rotate the VTC actuator to the locked position.
30. Remove the wire tie holding the chain to the AC compressor as an assistant keeps light tension on the chain.
31. Slide the camshaft/VTC actuator in at an angle so that the chain can slip overthe actuator's teeth.
32. Line up the marks you made on the chain with the punch marks on the exhaust camshaft sprocket and VTC actuator.
33. Apply engine oil to the journals and caps for both camshafts. Lower the camshaft/VTC actuator assembly onto its journals.
34. Install the camshaft holders. Tighten them down two turns at a time, starting in the middle and working your way outward, following the numbered sequence.
35. Remove the lock pin from the auto-tensioner, then remove the wire tie from the exhaust cam sprocket.
36. Rotate the crankshaft in the direction of engine rotation (clockwise) two full turns, then stop at the white TDC mark. Make sure both camshafts line up, as shown in step 15.
37. Inside the cylinder block, visually confirm that the timing chain is properly riding on its guide, and has not slipped behind the guide in the block. If so, realign the chain as needed.
38. Remove the old sealant, dry, reseal, then reinstall the auto4ensioner (chain case) cover.
NOTE : Wait 30 minutes before adding oil, if needed, and wait 3 hours before starting the engine.
39. Check and, if needed, adjust the valve clearance using a tappet adjuster.
Intake: 0.21 -0.25 mm (0.008 - 0.010 in)
Exhaust: 0.25-0.29 mm (0.010 - 0.011 in)
40. Following adjustment, use a tappet locknut wrench to torque the locknuts.
Intake and Exhaust: 14 Nm (10 lb-ft)
41. Raise the vehicle.
42. Reinstall the splash shield.
43. Straighten the wheels or reinstall the right front wheel (if removed).
44. Lower the vehicle.
45. Reinstall the cylinder head cover, tightening the bolts in three steps. In the final step, tighten all bolts, in sequence, to 12 N~m (8.7 lb-ft).
46. Reinstall the EVAP canister purge valve bracket.
47. Reinstall the engine oil dipstick, and reconnect the breather hose and the brake booster vacuum hose.
48. Reinstall the ignition coils and the ignition coil cover.
49. Reinstall the engine cover.
50. Reinstall the frame (strut) brace (if equipped). Torque the bolts to 22 N.m (16 lb-ft).
from what ive heard, over time the metal to metal grinding will wear over time and could break apart the VTC Actuator resulting in broken metal in your engine. I just purchase the part and wonder since the instructions are pretty clear if I could handle the repair on my own. Thoughts??? FYI I have no previous experience working with engines. Just simple oil changes.
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Is this issue covered if you have power train warranty still? My regular warranty has run out, but I know I have power train coverage till 100k
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I do a half start and then full start and it won't make the noise
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