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Boris the Bullet-Dodger
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Just got black Accord type S from a dealer today. So I hope you guys greet me warm here :) Got some mixed up feelings about the car, but pretty happy overall. Had an Alfa Romeo 166 before, which was a damn good car except that it would brake down all the time, and the repair costs are not that cheap.

Will post the pics tomorrow.
Oh, BTW, I'm from Russia :)
 

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Gevor said:
Just got black Accord type S from a dealer today. So I hope you guys greet me warm here :) Got some mixed up feelings about the car, but pretty happy overall. Had an Alfa Romeo 166 before, which was a damn good car except that it would brake down all the time, and the repair costs are not that cheap.

Will post the pics tomorrow.
Oh, BTW, I'm from Russia :)
Welcome, Gevor! It's great to have you.

As far as I know, Gevor is our first member in Russia, and possibly the first member in Russia on any TSX site.

By the way.....since you say you have "mixed feelings" about the car -- what don't you like about it?
 

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Welcome to the site, Gevor:wavey:
 

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By the way.....since you say you have "mixed feelings" about the car -- what don't you like about it?
Thank a lot :)

The interior quality is not as good as on european cars (comparing to my previous Alfa for expamle), not that it's bad or anything, I like it a lot. The design is nice and ergonomic, but it's lacking that feel of class like in BMW 3-series or any other european similar car.
The engine is not as revy and as in K20A (Civic type R).
Overall the car is very smooth and sporty at the same time. Honda found a very good balance. I like the car a lot so far. It's just maybe I was expecting a little bit more performance and quality wise.
Oh, and the looks are superb ofcourse, no complaints about that for sure :)

Will try to post pics today.

P.S. Does anyone know if the central locking system function as an alarm?

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.....The interior quality is not as good as on european cars (comparing to my previous Alfa for expamle), not that it's bad or anything, I like it a lot. The design is nice and ergonomic, but it's lacking that feel of class like in BMW 3-series or any other european similar car.
The engine is not as revy and as in K20A (Civic type R).
Overall the car is very smooth and sporty at the same time. Honda found a very good balance.....It's just maybe I was expecting a little bit more performance and quality wise......
P.S. Does anyone know if the central locking system function as an alarm?
Interesting post, Nick.
I wonder what you'd think of the "real" TSX. (Which, I know, is a strange way to put it, because probably it is more correct to think of the Euro Accord as the "real" car......)

People often say that the TSX is "just" an Accord. They say that for different reasons, one of which is to be provocative. But one of the reasons they say it is because the TSX is "basically" a Euro Accord. Which is true.

BUT.....as I've pointed out many times, there are real differences. And some of them relate to what Nick doesn't quite like about the Euro Accord. I think that if there were no TSX (and also no TL), but if the Euro Accord were available here, that's the car I'd get. But I'm not sure -- because while the differences are small in the minds of some people, they might be significant enough to make a difference to some people.

INTERIOR, GENERAL QUALITY, "FEEL OF CLASS": I think the differences between the Euro and the TSX are just enough that Nick wouldn't have any complaints about the TSX.

Obviously we can't know this for sure unless Nick has a chance to get into a TSX (and by the way pictures wouldn't solve this with any certainty; you have to get in the car).

But for sure we can say this: There have been literally thousands of posts on this subject on the various TSX sites, including hundreds by people who aren't exactly fans of the TSX. And I don't recall anybody ever saying that the TSX's interior was lacking in comparison to BMW or most other European brands. It is sometimes noted that most of the Lexus interiors are better, but even among people who have made this comparison, I don't think anybody felt the TSX's interior was not very much to their liking.

PERFORMANCE/POWER: It's quite possible Nick might be disappointed in the "actual" TSX too, because a lot of people are. But there ARE differences in this department between the Euro and the TSX. And, taken together with the increase in "feel of class" (which we know makes a big difference for Nick and which probably affects his impression of everything else about the car -- by the way that's called the "halo effect"), someone like him might really find the TSX's performance A LOT better.

The TSX's hp is rated at 10 greater than the Euro (200 vs. 190), which might not sound like a lot, but let's put it this way: How would you like to lose 10 hp from your TSX? It's funny -- people say so often that there isn't any significant difference between the two cars, but how do you think they'd react if they picked up their new TSX and then found out that Honda/Acura had a mistake on their batch, and the hp was only 190??? They'd be crying bloody murder. (I think.)

And there's more: Although details about the suspension are hard to find (impossible actually), there are differences here too. As best we can ascertain, the TSX's suspension is firmer and sportier. And of course this produces an additional "halo effect." I would bet that even if two cars had exactly the same "power" but one had a firmer/sportier suspension, that one would SEEM to have more power.

It would be really interesting if Nick ever got a chance to try a TSX.
I hope he makes it over here some time. If he does, I think we should arrange for someone to meet him at the airport -- with a TSX. :D


About the "central locking" and alarm: I don't think most of us can answer, because we don't know if this might be another area of difference between the Euro and TSX. Also I'm not sure exactly what you mean.
If you mean, when you lock the car does an alarm get activated, for the TSX the answer is "yes" -- but (I think) only if you lock it using the remote fob, and not if you lock the car manually (i.e. the "old-fashioned way). Sorry that I don't know this for sure. But most people always or almost always do it with the remote fob anyway.

Maybe one of the other Euro owners will see this and help us out.....
 

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Thanks larchmont, that was very interesting to read. I pretty much agree with you, except for some points.
Just to make it clear, I have never been in or driven an Acura TSX before, so my comparison is based upon what I know from other people's posts and pictures and also from how same models produced for different markets usually differ from each other. TSX and euro Accord are based on the same chasis and basicaly are the same car, except for minor changes, like interior design and some other little things. So I would say that TSX's interior is supposed to be somewhat the same quality, but again Acura is possioned on the market (in US) as a higher class than Honda. Acura would probably use higher quality materials for their interiors than Honda, but the all the other parts, like sound insulation, suspension parts etc. would probably be the same to make the costs cheaper.
As for the power difference between Accord and TSX, the difference can be in the way they rate (calculate) the power output. It is different for US and Europe, as seen on other models.
All I can say about TSX is that I really, really like the interior, too bad we don't get it here. Moreover, since none of the automobile navigation systems work in Russia (due to some government issues), Accords don't come here with navigation... not that I really need it, but a big colour screen makes a car interior look cool.

I hope one day I will have a chance to drive a TSX. I used to go to States a lot before. I have a friend that lives in San Rafael, CA. So anyone in Bay Area willing to pick me up from SFO when I get there next time? :)
BTW my friend is a Subaru fan (I used to be one too... still is actually:) ) He is the founder of i-club (www.i-club.com) if anyone heard of it... So I hope to meet some fellow Accord/TSX owners from the other side of the earth sometime soon :)

euroR813:
You're one bloody russian :) Your avatar is so big that it almost made me blind :) Where're you from? Moscow? Or you live in States?



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oh you know it got to represent!!! i live in FL, from Far East of Russia, so you must be from Moscow, just based on your previous vehicle..
 

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Gevor said:
.....TSX and euro Accord are based on the same chasis and basicaly are the same car, except for minor changes, like interior design and some other little things. So I would say that TSX's interior is supposed to be somewhat the same quality, but again Acura is possioned on the market (in US) as a higher class than Honda. Acura would probably use higher quality materials for their interiors than Honda, but the all the other parts, like sound insulation, suspension parts etc. would probably be the same to make the costs cheaper.
I think the differences go beyond what you're saying. Unfortunately it's hard or impossible to find specifics of what's actually different, but I'm pretty sure that the differences DO include sound insulation, and virtually certain that they include suspension, although for the suspension, I don't know if it's "parts" per se.
.....As for the power difference between Accord and TSX, the difference can be in the way they rate (calculate) the power output.
That's a stretch, and it goes against the gist of the little specific info that HAS BEEN put out about the differences. There are always issues about how such things are calculated and expressed -- for example, it is sometimes said that the official hp data on Honda and Acura models are stated "conservatively," meaning that the cars actually put out more. But from all we can tell, there is indeed a power difference between the Euro and the TSX.
.....I hope one day I will have a chance to drive a TSX. I used to go to States a lot before. I have a friend that lives in San Rafael, CA. So anyone in Bay Area willing to pick me up from SFO when I get there next time? :)
We hope so too.

BTW all you Bay Area members, take note!

Larchmont, who hopes to visit the Bay Area soon too.
 

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I'm gonna highlight what I believe to be information that should run fair and accepted across the board.

Make/Model Label - Honda or Acura everyone knows this by now that this is a Honda. Different in-country marketing determines what's the best way to sell a particular make/model and the best way to identify a car is by the chassis code, CL9 is used in this case, whatever model name is applied, it can only be referred to whichever suits you. I go with Honda Japan's decision, this is an Accord. There is no common line of agreement or acceptance worldwide.

Market Differences - The North Americas region gets the best gear even including Japan in comparison to standard equipment not including JDM specific gear - ala EPS, HIDS. The Acura label has provided a better choice scheme in interior color choice and a more advanced/styled instrument cluster and the availability of SAT-NAV being an optional equipment. No other continent region in this world has this choice not including Japan.

Power Output Differences - Minimal variance from each continent due to local emissions controls, laws, availability of RON rating fuel. The only true difference of significant power difference is the CL7 Euro R which uses a K20a block instead of a K24a. All other measurements of power output is insignificant in difference.
 

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CL9 K24a said:
I'm gonna highlight what I believe to be information that should run fair and accepted across the board.....
Well, you know a lot more about cars than I do, but in this case I think you don't have the whole story there.

What is your basis for not believing the other differences mentioned above?
If you have an authoritative source that indicates what you say, of course we'd be interested -- and convinced.

Otherwise, it seems you're going a bit overboard in saying that what you state "should run fair and accepted across the board."

There have been seemingly reliable sources stating what I mentioned.
Yes, only "seemingly," because unfortunately none of them, at least as far as I've seen, are flat-out statements from Honda/Acura. But I think that's the best we've got.
 

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Damn it, I was ready to post a big reply when my internet explorer crashed.... Bill Gates, I hate you! :)

To sum it up, I pretty much agree with CL9 K24A, except that euro Accords do come with SAT-NAVI, just not in Russia, but I'm sure you can order one through an official dealer. Oh BTW, we also get the Tourer, which looks pretty cool IMHO.
Also, it is not true that US gets cars packed with more features that Europe. Mercedes Benz - US models don't get all the options that Europe gets. Same thing with Subaru, AFAIK. With some other car makes it is the opposite situation.

larchmont:
I promise I will drive a TSX one day and post a report about what I think.

I will also try not to forget to take some pictures of interior and exterior so we can make a good comparison and maybe even do some kind of a FAQ.


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Gevor said:
Ok, here are the pics I promissed. I hope I took pictures of everything that can help tell the difference between TSX and Accord
She's a beauty! Thanks for sharing your pic's :thumbsup:
 
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