nope .. at least not for me .. ~ plus i got the drycharger .. so i dont ever worry abt it .. ~moTSX said:Drove out these 2 days and saw all the big (deep) ponds along the sidewalks in Vancouver/Richmond. Do you guys think any car w/ CAI will get stall on the road from getting water into the CAI?
No, because I waded into the water to retrieve the car. It was well below knee deep.SAZABI said:did u underestimate the depth of the water pond?
b/c if the filter is 1.5 feet above ground and the water is only 1 foot deep, there is no way it has enough power to suck the water up.
I tried applying 100kPa vacuum and it was not enough to suck water up unless the tube is touching the surface.
anyways, the deepest I have seen locally is around 1 foot. I wouldn't say it is impossible, but VERY unlikely to get hydro lock.
Couldn't have said better. And yes, if you do hydrolock. It's not anyone giving you undue advice or opinions but you yourself to deal with. And this is not covered under warranty. So, do pay attention and take serious care. When you think it's "going to hydrolock", it's already/often too late to reverse the consequence.Duke said:Now, if you have the bypass valve, you're probably OK. I wouldn't trust a dry filter covering. If you are very careful, the chances are you won't have a problem. But anyone who tells you you're perfectly safe and will never have a problem is wrong.
1. I can't stand it when people just come here firing w/o good reasoning too.Cyde said:I can't stand it when people say it's safe to drive with a cai without the bypass, and people that say the bypass is useless and just sucks up hot air... thats not true!
The bypass was designed to draw air in only when the filter has a restriction force (like water) greater than the bypass tuned restrition force level.
I've known so many guys here in Vancouver that have hydro-locked in less than a foot of water. and somtimes you really can't tell how deep until you driven in, or wearing polarized glasses. which i sell, and offer discounts to all tsx members
how about "MY TSX IS HYDROLOCKED"?joerockt said:I've never seen a thread, here or on the other site that said "I HYDROLOCKED MY TSX"
Never, not once. I drove through a few large puddles here in SoCal with the recent rains we had. No problems...
that's the "other" conditions I was talking about.Cyde said:it depend.. If you car is motionless and water is still and the filter is .30cm above the water level, yeah i doubt i'll suck it in. But usually that is not the case, your moving and the water is moving, reguarless of the underpanelling dosen't protect you from water, wave action, and the inability for a driver inside the car to judge the water depth acuratley, just the wave action from the car moving through the water, is enough in some case, i've seen 5 friends using their CAI, and get hydrolock, some in less than a foot of water, don't tell them it's not likley to happen, cuz they'd beg to differ.
Hey if you want to do it your way, then do it your way but don't go around telling people it's fine, you can take your own risk, don't put other people at risk of locking their engine.
THe ideal situation is when you know it's the track is dry then take out the bypass, but if you know it's really wet out there with mybe some deep puddles put it on. but that idea is not practical for a daily driver car.
In that case for a daily driver, leave the bypass on, it's not going to kill you or destroy your engine, but if you take it off, you know you run the chance you run the risk. Not worth it ..common sence
Sorry didn't mean to put words in your mouth my bad. You mention about the stock intake, the only type of intake that's the safest is either the snorkel type or the overflow protection cap style both styles seen on off road vehicles like the hummer. But interestingly the TSX is built with a mid level snorkel with overflow protection cap, unfortunately there is a design flaw in the TSX intake design, which create a seal failure (more like lack of seal, Honda engineer falling asleep again) which cause pressure loss and water to go in under the cap.SAZABI said:that's the "other" conditions I was talking about.
fine to use or not, it is hard to draw the boundary. Even ur aftermarket radiator cap, I would say it is not fine to use. Also, I never say it is fine to use, I said it is unlikely it would happen. So, don't put the words into my mouth. Even the stock intake system has the risk of hydrolocking, and it did happend. Is it fine to use?
yup, in that case, I would not recommend people to buy the bypass valve, just convert it to short ram when it is wet. No point to use CAI when there is a chance to suck in hot air... more common sense? :laugh: