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clk 500 or SC430

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sorry this maybe a little off topic but i am giving my TSX to my sister, and I am buying a new car. i want a nice luxury convertable so i pulled it down to two cars. the Mercedes CLK500 and the Lexus SC430. Tough choice. Give me some opinions. THanks!!
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In case some of y'all might not know.....these cars are way above the "price point" that we usually talk about.

Even besides price, those aren't the kind of car that I look at anyway.
I mean, I sure as hell LOOK at them -- but they're not cars that meet my needs. :isuck: :D

If I "had to" take one of them (poor me) :D it would be the SC430, for the reason that Sazabi said. The CLK500, like the entire MB line, has shown poor reliability in recent years. And Saz put it really well -- "headache." People often say that if you have the $$ to get a car like that, you don't have to worry about reliability because you can afford whatever it takes. But in my book, that misses the point, because it's not just the cost -- it's the headaches, the inconvenience, the uncertainty, and maybe the missed opportunities because your car won't get you where you need to go. (I know, I know, if you have that kind of $$ you can call a car service too.) :rolleyes:

FWIW neither of these cars is rated that great by Consumer Reports or Consumer Guide. Obviously they have a big "wow" factor, but if you get objective about them, they don't do so well. The TSX probably handles as well as either one. Is it as much fun? I guess not. But you get other perks with the TSX, including a better ride (by most people's standards). And that's even without talking about the $$ you'll save.

Anyway.....congrats, theo, for being in a position to consider these cars!
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2004_Acura_TSX said:
I'd take the Benz CLK500. Its newer than the cramped SC430. It may have reliablity issues, but hey, my TSX had many problems last summer. Those problems can be fixed.:thumbsup:
Not when the reliability is piss poor. Some things never get fixed right, or it's one thing after another. Neither of which tends to happen on cars with top-notch reliability.
TSX 'R' US said:
That's what the waranty is for ;) mean that as long as it's free, you don't mind having to keep taking your car back in, and having problems crop up whenever they feel like it, and never knowing if the car will really get you where you're going?

bob shiftright said:
(Larch lives in New York, and if he can afford to do THAT, he can afford to buy a brand new Maybach as a RR station "beater"!)


But I digress. If I were looking for a new convertable in the $50k-$100k range, I'd first look at the new Porsche 997. Appearing in your dealer's showroom in August.


Welcome back Bob!

And yeah.....what about that?

I'm guessing the bucks are even more mega -- right?
But he never said anything about a price limit.
bob shiftright said:
Did I go someplace? (Besides my occasional trips away from the computer to go outside to fill up the bird feeders and tie up the tomato plants, I mean.)......
I guess that's what I meant. :D

(No posts on the "old" threads for a week!
And I was away myself so I wasn't looking so close.)
bob shiftright said:
.....I suppose if "the sky's the limit" the new Maserati Quattroporte would make an even better "station beater". (I'll stick with a Volvo station wagon already equipped with numerous optional door-dings! While I'm sure Metro North commuters all show respect fine, hand-crafted automobiles, out here on the North Jersey Coast line, they won't!)

I see you can have one of these for only about 90K.
But I'm sure that's stripped. :D

And the 997 would be a bargain -- only like 70?
(Stripped.) :D
bob shiftright said:
.....(Nooooooo OF COURSE IT'S NOT for my kid! She's getting 4 years of college and 4 years of grad school paid for!)
Yeah, that sounds generous enough. :D

Possible poll question: Who would trade 4 years of college and 4 years of grad school for a Porsche/Lamborghini/SC430?

I think we'd be horrified at the results. :D
MarkPinTx said:
......I'd rethink the whole thing. It's a friggin car for cryin out loud. Get something reasonable and nice, keep the rest.
Which brings us right back to...... :D
CL9 K24a said:
Not to be an ass ... But what matters on what the public thinks about what car you're interested in buying? Seriously if you've made up your mind on whatever make/model or in fact anything in life, no one can change your decision.....
Gotta disagree a little with CL9 on this.

Yes, what you're saying is true. But, asking the question can be a good way to get some extra perspectives, to find out how you feel and what you want. Really, it's no different than getting a consultant for something.

Plus, these things can be fun.
bob shiftright said:
No. Not horrified. Amazed. This was already discussed over at "some other board", the choice given was a Volvo S60R and 4 years at U. Maryland vs. an old Volvo 850 and 4 years at Vanderbilt.

Yeah, Maryland won! (I'm not suggesting Maryland is a bad school, it's not. You can obtain a FINE education at U. MD. I'm just saying based on my own state U. experience there is a lot more attention given to the students at the "elites". One can easily get "lost" in a large state U. system. Hence, the poorer graduation rate. And if you don't graduate, there's no graduate or professional school, so it's the next 40 years as an assistant manager at Wal Mart. Depressing.) :nervous:
Oddly, I'd say this is the most controversial and arguable of all of Bob's posts, in history.

Which covers quite a bit of ground. :D

I went to one of the "elites," and at that time (long long ago :D ) to a great extent it was what Bob says. But I understand it ain't necessarily so any more, based on stats that I've seen (e.g. in those US News & World Report issues). I hope those stats are misleading but I have a feeling they're not.

And I think the poorer graduation rates at the state schools are more due to other factors. Like:

(1) Different types of students to begin with
(2) Lesser cost, so lesser pressure to stick with it
(3) More transferring out of those schools to other schools

BTW.....I would like to believe that regardless of the stats (and actual facts), students who want very much to get the closer attention and smaller classes can do it, just about anywhere, by picking a certain amount of certain kinds of courses and going about things in certain ways. Don't know if it's true, but it certainly was in my day. I had many more small classes than most other people, and even in the huge courses, I had a lot of contact with whomever, when I felt like it. And I liked how the big courses meant that you could miss classes with impunity when you felt like it, which also helped my education a great deal -- no joke. :D
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Ferg said:
.....I, on the other hand, went to a very small school -- 1200 students total.....
What school, Ferg?

Larchmont, who knows this isn't any of our business either. :D
bob shiftright said:
.....BTW, by "elites" I mean the real elites; the Ivys, the surviving sisters, and the top 10-12 universities and 10-12 LACs on everyone's list.....
Thanks for the definition. I guess that means I rate.
I was expecting some Harvard or Yale tard to come in and say that wasn't really an "elite" school. :D

As for the rest of Bob's post, I could argue it some more, but no.

OK, OK, what the hey. :p

I disagree with those rebuttals to my 3 reasons for the lower grad rates at state schools. So here's my surrebuttal (good word).

1. Even with the "diversity," usually it's a lot less "diversity" (in many respects) than at the state schools. And anyway IMO that's the least of it.

2. Despite the supposed policy of meeting all financial need, I don't think it's true that the cost winds up being less at the elites. I would imagine that Bob knows more about this than I do, very very strong impression is that the formulas and criteria for determining "need" don't really provide for the full actual need in most cases. If they did, then what about all those stories of poorer kids who have to turn down their acceptances to Princeton or Brown in favor of their local schools, because they couldn't afford it? I know that oftentimes in these stories, the "lower" school is some other private school that throws all kinds of money at the student, not a state school -- but still, doesn't that prove the point? Because in any event the kids aren't making a profit on the deal, they're just having their costs covered (star athletes excepted of course :D ) which means that the schools they have to turn down AREN'T really covering the costs.

QED. Thank you very much. :D

3. Your answer changes the subject. But I forgive you. :D

BTW in case any of the rest of y'all are wondering, LAC means liberal arts college. Took me a while to get it myself. :nod:
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