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clk 500 or SC430

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sorry this maybe a little off topic but i am giving my TSX to my sister, and I am buying a new car. i want a nice luxury convertable so i pulled it down to two cars. the Mercedes CLK500 and the Lexus SC430. Tough choice. Give me some opinions. THanks!!
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larchmont said:
In case some of y'all might not know.....these cars are way above the "price point" that we usually talk about.
(Larch lives in New York, and if he can afford to do THAT, he can afford to buy a brand new Maybach as a RR station "beater"!)


But I digress. If I were looking for a new convertable in the $50k-$100k range, I'd first look at the new Porsche 997. Appearing in your dealer's showroom in August.

larchmont said:
Welcome back Bob!
Did I go someplace? (Besides my occasional trips away from the computer to go outside to fill up the bird feeders and tie up the tomato plants, I mean.)


I suppose if "the sky's the limit" the new Maserati Quattroporte would make an even better "station beater". (I'll stick with a Volvo station wagon already equipped with numerous optional door-dings! While I'm sure Metro North commuters all show respect fine, hand-crafted automobiles, out here on the North Jersey Coast line, they won't!)

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larchmont said:
I see you can have one of these for only about 90K.
But I'm sure that's stripped. :D

And the 997 would be a bargain -- only like 70?
(Stripped.) :D
I think about 82 for the 3.8L, 350hp 997 "Carrera S" but that would also include the (optional) floor mats, the (optional) rear wiper and the (optional) silver paint.

I'm trying to talk my wife into a factory delivery tour in Stuttgart.

To celebrate my kid's forthcoming college graduation.

(Nooooooo OF COURSE IT'S NOT for my kid! She's getting 4 years of college and 4 years of grad school paid for!)

larchmont said:
Yeah, that sounds generous enough. :D

Possible poll question: Who would trade 4 years of college and 4 years of grad school for a Porsche/Lamborghini/SC430?

I think we'd be horrified at the results. :D
No. Not horrified. Amazed. This was already discussed over at "some other board", the choice given was a Volvo S60R and 4 years at U. Maryland vs. an old Volvo 850 and 4 years at Vanderbilt.

Yeah, Maryland won! (I'm not suggesting Maryland is a bad school, it's not. You can obtain a FINE education at U. MD. I'm just saying based on my own state U. experience there is a lot more attention given to the students at the "elites". One can easily get "lost" in a large state U. system. Hence, the poorer graduation rate. And if you don't graduate, there's no graduate or professional school, so it's the next 40 years as an assistant manager at Wal Mart. Depressing.) :nervous:
larchmont said:
Oddly, I'd say this is the most controversial and arguable of all of Bob's posts, in history.

Which covers quite a bit of ground. :D

I went to one of the "elites," and at that time (long long ago :D ) to a great extent it was what Bob says. But I understand it ain't necessarily so any more, based on stats that I've seen (e.g. in those US News & World Report issues). I hope those stats are misleading but I have a feeling they're not.

And I think the poorer graduation rates at the state schools are more due to other factors. Like:

(1) Different types of students to begin with
(2) Lesser cost, so lesser pressure to stick with it
(3) More transferring out of those schools to other schools

BTW.....I would like to believe that regardless of the stats (and actual facts), students who want very much to get the closer attention and smaller classes can do it, just about anywhere, by picking a certain amount of certain kinds of courses and going about things in certain ways. Don't know if it's true, but it certainly was in my day. I had many more small classes than most other people, and even in the huge courses, I had a lot of contact with whomever, when I felt like it. And I liked how the big courses meant that you could miss classes with impunity when you felt like it, which also helped my education a great deal -- no joke. :D
I attended a small LAC myself. My college roomate's father was a dept. chairman and dean at a certain large but elite university in Ithaca, NY known for it's football team. It wasn't lack of brains that made him decide not to attend as an undergraduate. He went on to grad school there. So I mean I don't think that the large Ivys like Cornell or U of P necessarily give the kind of individual attention given at the small liberal arts colleges. I did receive one graduate degree from a state U and it was definitely a good experience (and a bargain), but the school was a small one within a large university system. I was pretty much horrified by some of the stories I heard about the undergraduates' experiences.

If you start to "disappear" at one of the "elites" they'll go and find you and sit you down with a counsellor. (For $40k I'd HOPE so!) At State U? I doubt the grad student teaching the 400 student intro class gives a ####, it's just one less exam for him to grade.

As for your reasons for the poor State U graduation rates: #1) the "elites" seem to bend over backwards to encourage diversity in the student body #2) since the "elites" usually guarantee that they'll meet 100% of financial need, the net cost is probably less than a State U. for most families #3) if the State U. experience is so good, why the need to transfer???

To move the argument to a more personal level, I think the choice of 4 years at State U. plus a Porsche vs. 4 years at one of the "elites" would have been a poor choice for my own kid. Your own opinion may be different.

BTW, by "elites" I mean the real elites; the Ivys, the surviving sisters, and the top 10-12 universities and 10-12 LACs on everyone's list. As for the utility of the cost of a private second-tier or third-tier college vs. a State U. I think that's an entirely different calculus. Depending on a variety of factors, not the least of which is the kid.
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