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Torrance, Calif. 09/01/2004 -- 2005 is an exciting year for Acura with the addition of the all-new RL luxury performance sedan completing the revitalization of its sedan lineup. The all-new RL takes Acura performance to its highest level yet with a 300-horsepower V-6 engine, a Super Handling All-Wheel Drive(TM) system that can send 70 percent of available torque to the outside rear wheel, and an assortment of leading-edge technology including North America's first standard, factory-installed real time traffic information system. Acura's new Advanced Compatibility Engineering(TM) (ACE(TM)) body structure, which helps deliver even better protection for vehicle occupants, also makes its debut on this exciting new model.

The RSX sports coupe receives significant enhancements, which provide even more precise handling without sacrificing ride comfort. The high-performance Type-S model boasts an additional 10 horsepower while both models benefit from new styling and refined chassis that include optimized suspension, braking and steering systems.

Other Acura models receive exciting changes as well. The MDX luxury SUV receives standard XM(R) Satellite Radio, a faster navigation system with increased functionality, a larger fuel tank and an available HandsFreeLink wireless phone interface, while the TSX sports sedan gets an assortment of new features including standard XM Satellite Radio, a power adjustable passenger seat, and heated door mirrors.

RL
For 2005, Acura's top-of-the-line sedan is dramatically redesigned and re-engineered. Featuring the most powerful engine ever in an Acura production vehicle, an innovative all-wheel drive system and the first North American application of real time traffic information, the RL is designed to compete head on with other leading luxury performance sedans from Europe and Japan. It is the first Acura to feature the innovative ACE body structure, which helps keep occupants safe during a frontal collision, and a Keyless Access System, which allows RL owners to open the doors and trunk and start the car without using a key.

2005 RL Select Highlights:

Powertrain

World's first Super Handling All-Wheel Drive(TM) system (SH-AWD(TM))
3.5 liter VTEC V-6 engine
300 horsepower and 260 lb-ft of torque
5-speed Sequential SportShift automatic transmission with steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters
LEV2-ULEV emissions system
Body & Chassis

Unit body with extensive use of high-tensile steel and aluminum
Lightweight aluminum front and rear subframes
Double-wishbone front suspension
Multi-link rear suspension
Xenon High-Intensity Discharge (HID) headlamps with Active Front Lighting System (AFS)
4-wheel disc brakes with 4-piston front calipers, ABS, Electronic Brake Force Distribution (EBD) and brake assist
17-inch alloy wheels and all-season high-performance tires
Interior

AcuraLink(TM) satellite communication system with real time traffic
Leather seating and genuine wood trim
Acura/Bose(R) DVD-Audio system including XM(R) Satellite Radio
Active Noise Cancellation
HandsFreeLink(TM) Bluetooth wireless telephone interface
OnStar(R) service
Keyless Access System
Dual-zone, Dual-mode Automatic Climate Control
Power moonroof
Power rear sunshade
Safety

Advanced Compatibility Engineering(TM) (ACE(TM)) body structure
Front dual-stage, dual-threshold airbags
Driver's and front passenger's side airbag
Standard side curtain airbags
Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA(R)) with traction control
RSX
Since its debut in July of 2001, the RSX sports coupe has built a steady and growing demand among youthful driving enthusiasts and in the important "tuner" market. Acura's entry sports coupe, now a seasoned veteran in Acura's lineup, continues to deliver a strong mix of i-VTEC(TM) performance, sports car handling, quality and refinement. It comes in two versions, the 160-horsepower RSX and the 210-horsepower RSX Type-S. Both provide powerful, DOHC engines featuring Acura's innovative i-VTEC technology, sport-tuned chassis and suspension systems and a long list of standard features. For 2005, the RSX features several significant upgrades including:

Powertrain (Type-S only)

Engine modifications that boost the horsepower of the Type-S model to 210 at 7800 rpm
High performance camshafts
Larger intake duct
Large diameter exhaust pipe
High-flow catalytic converter
6-speed transmission optimized with a lower final gear ratio for quicker acceleration and carbon synchronizers replacing brass on 5th and 6th gears for a smoother shift feel
Chassis

Revised suspension tuning for increased handling precision and a smoother ride
Ride height reduced by 7 mm
More rigid stabilizer bars (front and back for Type-S, front for RSX)
Larger diameter front strut tower bar for Type-S
Inversely wound front springs
Refined steering system for enhanced feel and quicker response
Optimized braking system for increased stopping power and feel
Larger 17-inch alloy wheels and all-season high-performance tires on the Type-S
Body rigidity increased by 15 percent in front and 21 percent in the rear
NVH reduced
Body

More aggressive exterior styling with redesigned front and rear fascias
Redesigned signature 5-sided Acura grille
Redesigned side sills
Redesigned headlight and taillight assemblies
Deck lid spoiler added to Type-S models
Four new exterior colors: Magnesium Metallic, Vivid Blue Pearl, Jade Green Metallic, Blaze Orange Metallic
Interior

Deeply bolstered front seats with thicker cushioning material
New chrome and titanium-look accents
MDX
One of the most sought-after luxury SUVs on the road today, the Acura MDX continues to rank at the top of its class. Refusing to rest on the its laurels, Acura each year has made several key enhancements designed to make the MDX even better and allow it to maintain its position as a benchmark in the luxury SUV category. For 2005, significant changes to the MDX include:
Standard XM Satellite Radio on all models
Acura HandsFreeLink Bluetooth wireless phone interface on all touring models
OnStar on all models equipped with navigation system
Larger fuel tank
6 Disc In-Dash CD player on models equipped with Rear Entertainment System
Enhanced Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA) system
Enhanced navigation system
o Quicker response time
o Additional voice recognition commands
o More points of interest
o Zagat Survey(TM) restaurant guide
LEV-2 ULEV emissions system
3 new exterior colors including Desert Rock Metallic, Billet Silver Metallic and Steel Blue Metallic
TSX
Initially forecast to sell 15,000 units a year, the TSX sports sedan far exceeded that number, and based on strong demand, is forecast to sell 30,000 units in 2004. The TSX continues to sell well, firmly establishing itself as an important component of Acura's revitalized sedan lineup. For 2005, the TSX receives several important enhancements including:

XM(R) Satellite Radio
Heated door mirrors
4-way adjustable power passenger seat
Illuminated steering wheel-mounted audio and cruise control switches
TL
The 2004 TL performance luxury sedan debuted in October of 2003 as an all-new model and since that time it has been Acura's top-selling vehicle. Equipped with a 270- horsepower V-6 engine, track-tuned suspension, an available 6-speed manual transmission, aggressive styling and a ground-breaking DVD-Audio system, the TL quickly became a dominant force in its segment, competing head-to-head with BMW, Lexus and Audi. Several safety enhancements were made to the 2005 model to comply with FMVSS 208 standards including:

Drivers seat position sensor helps determine optimum deployment rate for front airbag
Weight sensors in the front passenger seat disable the front airbag if the occupant weighs less than 65 pounds
NSX
As an icon in the supercar category, the NSX's unique mid-engine design, aluminum construction and high performance powertrain continue to make it a favorite of discriminating sports car enthusiasts.

Unchanged for 2005.
 

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Nice get, Vik! It confirms what we had been hearing.
Here's the section about the TSX:

Initially forecast to sell 15,000 units a year, the TSX sports sedan far exceeded that number, and based on strong demand, is forecast to sell 30,000 units in 2004. The TSX continues to sell well, firmly establishing itself as an important component of Acura's revitalized sedan lineup. For 2005, the TSX receives several important enhancements including:

XM(R) Satellite Radio
Heated door mirrors
4-way adjustable power passenger seat
Illuminated steering wheel-mounted audio and cruise control switches



Still nothing on price.
The figure that's being said is $400 increase, but I've been stubbornly saying we shouldn't be sure about it, because it sounds way low.
 

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I noticed that on the 04' TL, from the first cars produced..the MSRP was $25 cheaper than on the later 04 models...interesting.. I wonder if the TSX is the same?

But yeah, I think that the $400 figure is low, with the XM and the passenger seat I would expect around $900 and for the steering wheel lights and heated mirrors, I would guess an extra $400. Of course im just guessing out of my @$$ here :)
 

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That's about where I'm coming from too. I had been figuring all along that there would be a few extra goodies -- power passenger seat plus some others -- which would be worth a few hundred in themselves. And then there's the additional factors too (success and demand of the brand, and the exchange-rate factor).

I'm gonna make sure people don't fail to recognize what we're doing here -- we're really sticking our necks out in doubting the figure that's being put out by some pretty authoritative sources. When you do that, you usually turn out to be wrong, and you look like a stubborn jerk.

And maybe that's how it will turn out.

But if it turns out we're right in doubting that figure, I'm never gonna let y'all forget it. :D :D :D :D

FWIW the last time I did this kind of thing, my doubt was justified. It was about the size of the new TL. The thing was, while Honda/Acura was leaking just about every other detail about the car, they weren't saying boo about the car's dimensions. So I guessed the size would be some kind of major surprise, and with a big assist from some calculations (based on photos) by DNB and another site member, I guessed that the TL would be smaller than was assumed -- I said 187". This was ridiculed by our authoritative sources. But it turned out to be true (it was even a tad smaller).

And I'm gonna keep sticking my neck out like this until I turn out to be wrong.

Which of course could very well be this time. :D

But I'll say this: If it's really $400, all things considered it's a price decrease.
 

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And maybe that's how it will turn out.

But if it turns out we're right in doubting that figure, I'm never gonna let y'all forget it. :D :D :D :D

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Agreed, I don't have a TSX but I will come back to harrass all of you :-D


larchmont said:
But I'll say this: If it's really $400, all things considered it's a price decrease.
Agree with that also :)
 

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Not much changes there at all, if anything ... Non of them are significant to justify much differences between what is currently available.

If i was in the market for another TSX I would wait for the 05 only because of the XM, I live and die by XM :-D
 

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With sales roughly doubling their initial production, I can see them offering the additional features for only $400 extra. If there were no changes to the car, I could see them dropping the MSRP.

Remember, this is was a pre-existing model that Honda decided to import to the US and rebadge it as an Acura. Not a whole lot of R&D money went into the car (compared to the new RL), and they did not have to come up with all-new production lines.
 

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Noel said:
Not much changes there at all, if anything ... Non of them are significant to justify much differences between what is currently available.
Sorry Noel, but you're wrong about that.

Many, many people would pay a couple hundred (easy) just for power passenger seat, and I would have paid a lot more.

XM radio -- no big deal to me, but easily worth a couple hundred to a lot of people.

Heated mirrors -- ditto.

Backlit steering wheel controls -- worth a few bucks.

The whole package: Easily worth $400.
 

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larchmont said:
Sorry Noel, but you're wrong about that.
That'll ultimately depend if there is any pricing increase to justify annual changes or significant price reduction for current models. If none, then I guess it's more value added for the new consumer looking for an 05 and tough luck for the ones searching for an 04 or used.

That's my perspective on how I justify changes, there's no wrong or right line here. It's only how one sees what's worthy. Remember I said; Not much changes there at all, if anything ... Non of them are significant to justify much differences between what is currently available.

I did not talk about price, performance nor feature upgrades. I simply passed a remark on variant differences. Perhaps you should not be attempting to correct me when I've not made any mistakes. I find that very distasteful in nature.
 

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Sorry if I offended you, Noel, and sorry if I misunderstood. Your post came right after a few posts that were focusing on the possible price increase and what the amount would be, so I wasn't off-base in thinking that's what you were referring to. Sorry that I was wrong; it's no reason for you to react harshly.

Also I must say I have trouble understanding what you're talking about in the first paragraph of your last post. Neither one of those sentences is particularly clear. But please don't take it personally.

But definitely please do try to lighten up. We on this site aren't nasty. You'll do well to take things with an easy-going attitude, because anything else will lead you astray.
 

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But definitely please do try to lighten up. We on this site aren't nasty. You'll do well to take things with an easy-going attitude, because anything else will lead you astray.
It is not your place to instruct the sites mods how to behave Larch.
If you feel the need to discuss this further, feel free to e-mail me.
Please keep the thread on topic.

Thank you!
 

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larchmont said:
Sorry that I was wrong; it's no reason for you to react harshly. But definitely please do try to lighten up. You'll do well to take things with an easy-going attitude, because anything else will lead you astray.
I'm not offended, just find it distasteful. Actually I do use a very easy-going attitude especially on this one, it's my observation only being on here for awhile on how you use "corrective" term that isn't exactly ideal or appropriate. Some might find that acceptable but I'm sure the majority would like the liberty to speak at ease when speaking without having to worry about reprecussions.
 

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If you feel the need to discuss this further, feel free to e-mail me......Thank you!
No need -- as on the other thread, I feel I made my point. In both instances, it was that there seemed to be a tone going on that hasn't been part of this site.

No worries. Sounds like we're on the same page.
 

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NSX
As an icon in the supercar category, the NSX's unique mid-engine design, aluminum construction and high performance powertrain continue to make it a favorite of discriminating sports car enthusiasts. Unchanged for 2005.
woohoo!:bowdown:
 

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Noel said:
Not much changes there at all, if anything ... Non of them are significant to justify much differences between what is currently available.
I agree...I'm glad they didn't change much...I do not need these new features in other words. Now if they offered power seat memory it might be a different story. I would like that feature.
 

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My take on the 4 new features....

I don't need the passenger power seat (more things to fix in the future....besides pushing button or controlling the rod to adjust the seat is about the same to me)
Memory seat would be a different story.

XM radio, I don't listen to radio (other than local sport talk radio, so it's no use for me)


heated mirror ( I don't even know if I have heated mirror in the previous Bimmer that I had, I noticed I don't need to wipe ice off it sometimes, not all the time, only sometimes) is there a button to push to turn it on and off ? Wiping ice off a parked car is not a big deal to me, but if the heated mirror can prevent ice accumulation while driving, then I would have to have it install in my 2004

Illuminated wheel. I still push the wrong button sometimes, so it's a good thing for me to have.
 

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My take on the 4 new features....

I don't need the passenger power seat (more things to fix in the future....besides pushing button or controlling the rod to adjust the seat is about the same to me)
Memory seat would be a different story.

XM radio, I don't listen to radio (other than local sport talk radio, so it's no use for me)


heated mirror ( I don't even know if I have heated mirror in the previous Bimmer that I had, I noticed I don't need to wipe ice off it sometimes, not all the time, only sometimes) is there a button to push to turn it on and off ? Wiping ice off a parked car is not a big deal to me, but if the heated mirror can prevent ice accumulation while driving, then I would have to have it install in my 2004

Illuminated wheel. I still push the wrong button sometimes, so it's a good thing for me to have.
Yep, 95% of the time I listen to local AM (talk radio...I drive by the station ever morning) and heat mirrors would hardly ever come in handy down here and I park my car in the garage at night. :)
 

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Come to think of it, I don't even really know what the deal is with XM radio!

WTF is it, anyway? Is it a lot more stations, like cable TV vs. over-the-air?
Is it better reception, like, uh, cable TV vs. over-the-air?

Is the main point to be able to get reception in areas where normally there isn't any?

e.g. I was just in Denver/Colorado Springs, and I couldn't believe how little radio reception you could get in the car.
Like none, most of the time, or just one or two stations at most.

If it's mainly for places like that, then it wouldn't be particularly useful around here or anywhere within about a hundred miles.

P.S. If the PTB's would like to say that stuff like this should be on a different thread, no problem of course.....
 
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